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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Ron, can you answer these questions with a simple 'yes' or 'no' ?
*Background checks should be required for gun purchases.
*A waiting period (of some length) should be required for gun purchases.
*There should be some limitations on the types of guns & capacities that typical civilians can legally obtain.
A simple 'yes' or 'no'.
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ruppell
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You guys crack me up. So I will provide the answer in images:
Enjoy the laughs and scary on. lol
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"So I will provide the answer in images:"
What part of 'yes' or 'no' wasn't clear to you, ruppell?
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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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The OP points out that "everyone" knew this family and their problems for a long time yet no one gets involved in this "progressive community".
You can't have this stand-by attitude and expect life to remain a blissful coexistence. It takes work and a willingness to get involved.
Or you can not take responsibility and continue to blame inanimate objects for these tragedies.
I believe a 10 day waiting period and background check should be mandatory for those wishing to own any firearm in any state but, not for the reasons given by the op.
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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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The police were involved. Just not enough to prevent an obvious danger to the community to walk into a gun store, buy a gun, and murder a child.
So now it's the fault of the police?
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ruppell
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apogee
Ron, can you answer these questions with a simple 'yes' or 'no' ?
The part that I quoted. If I change my name to Ron you'll be the first to know.
In the future if you would like every one posting a response to answer your silly questions address them to all.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I know, ruppell. They are hard questions. And 'yes' or 'no' is sooooo complicated.
It would be nice to know that people who want to own a gun can answer simple questions.
Edit: Those graphics are sooooo novel! Who needs to speak when the interwebz is full of such genius?!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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How long of a waiting period would guarantee that such things did not happen?
Oh, right, we aren't after "guarantees," just "reductions."
Okay, let's say that HUGE "reductions" did occur. Would that make this story not happen?
No matter where you draw the line, nutjobs are gonna do crazy stuff And your claim that this is not mental instability, Pate, is ridiculous on the face of it! What MOTHER shoots her own son "to get even" under ANY circumstances??? Even a two day, or two week waiting period is far from sure or even likely to keep a mentally deranged woman like that from going off!
I think your story makes the opposite case you think it does. This woman was WHACKED, even if she didn't show it until she broke (which is usually the case with these whack jobs).
Of course, YOU'LL now go off calling me stupid with all sorts of vile epithets. That will change nothing and will only make me snicker, as "white hot" people like you are actually hurting the case you SO fervently wish to make.
So, perhaps you can just address the simple question: how long of a waiting period "reduces" the problem SUFFICIENTLY that cases like this don't occur?
Remember, if the "reduction" still allows for cases like this to EVER occur, then the occurrence COULD be the very one you just told us about. And then you'd be just as white hot. And then I'd still want to know what further law would be SUFFICIENT to "reduce" the incidence "enough" to quench your heat.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Do you think a waiting period should be a required step in gun purchases?
Yes or no?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mr Christ,
Just so you know, guns aren't "easily available on a whim".
First you have to first show current ID issued by the state in which you're buying your gun. ( no crossing the border to Oregon or Arizona )
Then you take a written test. A failing score means you go no further.
Then, you fill out a form questioning your mental health, race, citizenship, recreational drug use, criminal background, etc. Wrong answer is a federal felony. You pay a non-refundable fee to fill out this form ( $15, I think ).
After your form is filled out, and examined closely by the clerk in the gun shop, the clerk calls The Feds on the phone, to see if there's any reason you can't have a gun.
Then you pay for your gun.
That should all take about an hour, if everything goes smoothly.
Then you go home - empty handed for now - and wait ten days before they'll let you actually take possession of your new gun.
So anybody who tells you you can buy a gun "on a whim" is either not informed or is lying to you.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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How long of a waiting period would guarantee that such things did not happen?
Oh, right, we aren't after "guarantees," just "reductions."
Okay, let's say that HUGE "reductions" did occur. Would that make this story not happen?
Jesus fuking christ! Who are you people?
Just so you know, guns aren't "easily available on a whim".
First you have to first ... blah blah blah
Then you go home - empty handed for now - and wait ten days before they'll let you actually take possession of your new gun.
Hmm, then what exactly does it mean when most states have NO WAITING PERIOD?
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ruppell
climber
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apologies
I know, ruppell. They are hard questions. And 'yes' or 'no' is sooooo complicated.
Your the one complicating it. Valid questions deserve valid answers. When you point them towards one person, as opposed to a group, you invalidate the other responses. If you would like to refine that idea that you started with I'd be happy to comply. In the meantime you'll get what you requested.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Your the one complicating it."
'You're'
How much simpler could that question or answer be?
'Yes'
or
'No'?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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The police were involved. Just not enough to prevent an obvious danger to the community to walk into a gun store, buy a gun, and murder a child.
Wait a minute. As Pate interpreted the story for us, the woman was NOT "mentally unstable," so HOW was she "an obvious danger to the community?"
What SORT of background check would have kept this sweet librarian woman from getting her gun(s)?
And "police not involved enough" is concerning. What do you envision: Minority Report?
Look, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, you can't get all frothy about sh|t happening. It does happen. And in a nation of 1/3 of a billion people, it doesn't happen all that much. If you want it to happen SO much less that you want the USA to become just another European Socialist Democracy, then just go move to one of them; leave the USA what it was designed to be. In the USA (rarely) sh|t happens. And in the USA, we don't get all freaked out and engage in knee-jerk, repressive legislation in an effort to go all Minority Report on pre-crime.
Oh, wait. It's barely the USA anymore. Still, perhaps we can save what little's left of what once was.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jesus fuking christ! Who are you people?
Oh, the answer to that is simple: somebody that gets a point your white heat apparently keeps you from getting. "Reduction" does not equate to NEVER; so this story STILL happens, this thread STILL happens, and STILL people like you are calling for SOMETHING MORE to be done to SOLVE this problem!
Problem is: the problem is not solvable! It's only "reducible" in principle. So the simple question still remains: HOW LONG of a waiting period "reduces" the problem enough to SATISFY you?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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A restraining order would have prevented her from legally buying a gun, and would have most certainly shown up on any instant background check.
But the Old Man wanted to stay together for the children.
How you supposed to help those who won't help themselves?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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ah, so now it is the husband's fault... spectacular display of intellect.
So Chaz, when states (most) have NO waiting period, what exactly does that mean?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Theoretically, the husband did a much more extensive background check on his wife than any government agency ever could.
You're mistaking waiting period for background check.
Anything that will disqualify someone from owning a gun will show up immediately. That's why lots of states have gone to an instant check system. Taking advantage of technology.
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ruppell
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apogee
Since you want an answer. I'll answer your questions addressed to Ron.
You have the chance to "EDiT" do so.
yes
YES
yes
AND from me
F*#k off with your idea of how forums should work.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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You're mistaking waiting period for background check.
Anything that will disqualify someone from owning a gun will show up immediately. That's why lots of states have gone to an instant check system. Taking advantage of technology.
I'm not mistaking anything. You said:
Then you go home - empty handed for now - and wait ten days before they'll let you actually take possession of your new gun.
And the FBI says:
NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives. Before ringing up the sale, cashiers call in a check to the FBI or to other designated agencies to ensure that each customer does not have a criminal record or isn’t otherwise ineligible to make a purchase.
NICS is customarily available 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except for Christmas).
If most states have NO waiting period, what are you claiming takes ten days?
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