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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 13, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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So hetero men are allowed to make the rules is what I hear you saying and the rest of us should just adjust to your sensibilities? It seems to me that attitude is what's offensive, not any body part of itself.
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BobLoblaw
climber
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May 13, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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"Having had conversations with European men and women, what I found was that if the guys in Europe acted as googly-eyed and horn-doggy over the women they share topless beaches(and apparently locker rooms) with, those men would be seen as perverts or social misfits."
This is a chicken and the egg thing. The reason (some) Americans have such strong reactions is precisely because of how conservative our approach is to such things. If you see anything all the time you're much less likely to have an extreme reaction than if you see that thing rarely, especially if what you're seeing has been deemed lewd or inappropriate by the society you're ingrained in.
I haven't been visiting this site for very long, so I don't know the history of any harassment or anything like that, but the idea that simply posting photos of anonymous breasts is demeaning to women here just seems crazy. I wouldn't care if there were a penis thread with 10,000 posts...it's easier to not click threads you're not interested in than to click them, right?
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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May 13, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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Personally, I don't think this needs to be debated any further. This is just another extension of Boobgate and it's been going for way too long.
With the admin's deletion of the original boob thread, and then the deletion of Moose's posts, and the uproar this causes every damned time, maybe you should get a damned clue and stop posting this stuff up.
Don't get me wrong, I personally loved the boob thread, I am a guy. But the fact is that many of our users aren't, and many who are guys don't find that content to be appropriate.
The administration of this site has been trying to gently get the point across that this content is not welcome or wanted here. And anyone who has been here for any length of time knows that the admins of this site do not come out and post "Hey stop doing that" - they have tried to get the point across and eventually I think they will just get tired of it and drop the ban hammer down and do a mass cleanout.
Maybe we should just get the point already and drop this whole subject and delete the tons of debate on it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 13, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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"The contributed photos, stories, and the community...."
....to a privately owned website.
Don't like the way it is managed, or uses your 'material'? Find another place to post it.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 13, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Zvuki Mu - These guys rock.
So do Monthy Python.
And so did Moosedrool - often.
Do ST rock?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 13, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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"You don't seem to though? "
I haven't expressed much of an opinion one way or the other, at least not in this thread. Since you asked, though....
I enjoy the OT parts of ST and the diverse community of opinions. It might be less interesting to me if it didn't have this kind of stuff, but given the obvious hard work & commitment that the owners/managers have in the place, I'm happy to accept it on their terms, and respect their judgement.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 13, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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Apogee
My perspective is: To accept the decision. And still be free to laugh at the judgement - if I want to.
Capt.
The machismo in Italy is over the top. The machismo in Scandinavia and the northern part of Europe is very low.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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May 13, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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Happie-Obviously you've actually never been to Europe.The machismo in Europe is over the top.But I'm glad you learned all about the place by speaking with some of their locals.
Edit-Yes, Marlow you absolutely are correct.I found Italy to be crazy machismo style.Sorry,did not mean to stereotype all Europeans.I will say that after attending Sorbonne,I found France to be a close second.Don't even get me started on SA. ;-)
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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May 13, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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So what, then, is the difference between celebrating fine human form and pornography? If it strikes awe in your heart its ok, but if it arouses you its porn?
Its only physical appearance we celebrated here, not physical agility, not impressive intellect, just boobs. Boobs that got people hot and bothered. And thats where the line got crossed.
So far the violence and the outright insults have not led to arrousal, so they stand.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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Maybe we should just get the point already and drop this whole subject and delete the tons of debate on it.
Umm, no.
Honestly, I'd rather see all the left/right hate threads go away.
The penis thread is fine too. Don't click it if you don't like it.
Are Bullwinkle's B&W boobs ok? Why?
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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May 13, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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Ummm,Deans pix have raised a bit of ire here and there.Let's not forget he actually did "Stone Dudes" one year.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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May 13, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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Where do I get a copy of that? Lol
Yawn.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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May 13, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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Well, so far there seems to have been a loose concensus that nude pics below the belt are, well, hitting below the belt. Personally, i blame religion. But thats another thread, one that i dont clique with. The holier-than-thou righteousness offends me, so i dont go there.
Anyway, biological fact says most (not all) are not visually stimulated by a man,s junk. So the penis thread was worthless with pics.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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May 13, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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I try not to think or speak in absolutes, but its a challenge sometimes. Besides...
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YER GONNA DIE!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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Yawn.
Whatsamatter Michelle, need pix? lol....
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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May 13, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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I'm sure a compromise can be reached.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 13, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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McDick Fart....Thanks for the words of wisdom....What team did you ride for...? RJ
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 13, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
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The issue isn't really about admiring or praising the human form...it's about the implications permeating a given photo or piece of art.
Initiate a thread with an innocent, artsy nude...and some will escalate and take it down the path to some very warped and degrading material.
Personally, I'm most offended by those who bomb meaningful, productive threads with disgusting in-your-face smut...then retreat back to the "ah, well we just like boobs" refuge.
A recent example,here, posting two bleached blonde women, in bikinis, simulating cunnilingus with a clear-cut dominantion/subordination theme pervading the thing...not about venerating the human form...not about real life...just a smutty fantasy flaunted before everyone participating in the thread.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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May 13, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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The idea that anyone is owed an explanation or entitled to be given some warning before getting kicked off this website is ridiculous . There is no Bill of Rights here...
... Maybe an administrator just got tired of all the extraneous bickering and 'tit' for tat that Moosedrool seemed to always create . Good riddance to the dude , maybe he has more time to climb now .
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