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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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LADY SCARLETT ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR PAINT CANS?
GOOD LUCK PRYING MY PAINT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS.
This country was FOUNDED on paint!! Many of the founding fathers painted their homes and various items, I personally have a safe in my basement (next to 10 years worth of canned goods, a generator and a framed picture of Ron Reagan) with 3 gallons of paint after YOUR stupid politics raises the price again!
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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I'd not even TRY to take away your paint cans...
hell, those things weigh a LOT!!
and I'd probably break a nail trying something like that against you big paint can-lifting strongmen...
:P
cheers!
ls
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Clearly there is no fail safe way to stop taggers at JT.
But with a little bit of dogged commitment by the NPS, much can be done to lessen the amount.
Anyone who has been confronted by graffiti in their community knows two things:
1) The taggers are usually the same very small group of people.
2) if the graffiti is not removed promptly ASAP the problem will just snowball and this will result:
To deal with the taggers themselves is difficult to be sure.
But removing the vandalism immediately with daily monitoring is a no brainer.
I think the NPS in JT has been punting this problem.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Ever since Santa Clara County Parks printed signs and built a gate to seal off access to Summit Rock, the taggers and bottle breakers have been having a field day. The graffiti has spread and spread. It's just that climbers are so easy to identify as a user group that can be kept out of an area. A tagger at night with a spray can is a lot harder to catch than a climber with ropes and equipment. Climbers just need to insist on their identity as a valid recreational user group, just like mountain bikers and trail runners and dog walkers and equestrians. Those other groups are not labeled as "outlaws", only climbers.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Thanks Mr Milktoast and others. I thought the paint was some sort of shithead summit register, it never occurred to me they'd mark their birthdates there.
Assuming it is birthdays, and assuming they have access to the names of these punks through "social media", matching identities should be simple.
Around here, they have to wind razor wire up and down the signposts on the freeways to deter the artistic little acrobats from marking up the signs with their scrawl. As you can see, it's not working very well.
I don't know how they're going to keep people out of Rattlesnake Canyon without it ending up being more effort than simply monitoring the taggers favorite targets for vandals.
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Nobacon
climber
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The so called 'park rangers' who rarely leave their vehicles don't even stop the very obvious violations. I have seen kids riding bikes offtrail at Hidden Valley, and a guy riding his horse through the desert (off trail) inside the park just past the entrance kiosk. But since we don't fund the parks, libraries, museums, research............... what do we expect?
And then, there is the issue of what happened at at Queen Mountain! (Shame on those climbers!)
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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Closing it because they don't have the budget to do anything else. Fack, maybe up the ante and put up signs to the effect, which we all know they can't enforce. Better, $1,000 reward for info leading to arrest and conviction. Then the taggers need to do 100 hours Community Service in Josh, cleaning up that shit!
Lack of respect due to lack of education due to one f*#ked up society and an out of control ego.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Wasn't me!
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Yeah, saw this crap when I was up there a few weeks ago. It was pretty low in the canyon but very obvious. Not art by any means.
Not sure how closing the canyon will do any good.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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So if ese and his homies tag the entrance signs and the kiosk are they going to close the whole park?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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By their script
ye shall know them.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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"So if ese and his homies"... Seems a little racist In LA everybody is a homie. I have grocery clerks calling me "homie".
wTF?
Wooooo....It's soooo racist.
Get outta here.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Let's get 50 people to form a conga line on South of Heaven, coz can ropegun!
That thing looks neat-O.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Let's get 50 people to form a conga line on South of Heaven, coz can ropegun!
That would go good on the face left of 200 Motels on Rattlesnake Buttress.
Killer hike. Hahahaha
The death hike and wilderness rappelling .
Anyone ever been up there?
Some of the resident wildlife.
We should be lucky he hasn't been tagged.
Very, very, very cool.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 10, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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I wish I was still in that kinda of shape mister Davis, but if people are into it, I'll go climbing as a protest.
Coun't me in Coz.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 10, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
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Anyone ever been up there?
Yeah, was up at South of Heaven on this past Sat. Great rock, great line, and beta intensive, cryptic movment that gets harder and harder the higer you climb as a rail type feature on the right diminishes. One of the two fixed pins is broken, but both of them are unnecessary as you can plug bomber finger sized cams right next to them.
That face left of 200Motels etc, is a Gaines 12a slab pitch. There was actually someone on it, trying to TR it when we were walking back down Sat. They appeared to be flexible (judging by the crazy high stepping going on), but were struggling for sure.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 10, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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That face left of 200Motels etc, is a Gaines 12a slab pitch. There was actually someone on it, trying to TR it when we were walking back down Sat. They appeared to be flexible (judging by the crazy high stepping going on), but were struggling for sure.
The rock is really smooth up there ,almost like Yosemite granite. The route goes over those little mini-overhangs. We flopped around on TR on the Gaines route as well.
200 Motels is an excellent route. Very aesthetic and straightforward. So is Taken For Granite.
The hike up there , once you leave the main arroyo, is devious to follow and involves plenty of hideous bush whacking . My partner ran into a nasty hornets nest. Hahaha. We both almost fell over a 20 ft. drop frantically trying to get away.
If the NPS closes the road to Rattlesnake Canyon, presumably at the point where the road leaves the main camping ground area near the Short Wall, anyone willing to run that blockade has a hell of a hike ahead of them.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 10, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Just get me a wheelchair and an O2 tank and I'm fuking GUD ta go!!!...
Hahaha.
Actually TGT is correct it would only add 1-2 miles of flat hiking , before and after the Canyon itself.
We could get a wheelchair down that road.
NPS trucks chasing a dude in a wheelchair. I can just see it now.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 10, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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Shut the road, problem solved. Any other solution costs money, which is not forthcoming.
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