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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Definitely Grader's paint. Still seriously Lame.
I dig Just The Maid's Grit. She's of The Real. +So many.
Don't be a dick, Hedge.
edit:Not doggin', it seems you miss the point at hand. Just sometimes.
I reckon we all do, though. <<sigh>>
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Good work there Skip :) thanks for alerting, sometimes people get the strangest ideas...
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Skip Thank you for taking care of this. Slapping it down fast is the best solution.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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You know, there is such a thing as good citizenship. Justthemaid went way beyond just "good." Thanks for what you did.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Funny how bolts, chalk and trail erosion are OK, but paint's not
Like to hear how the "Leave All Natural Features Undisturbed" sign is reconciled with what we do as climbers, especially at Echo, which is basically an outdoor gym
jhedge: you bring up an interesting point. One that is difficult to reconcile with our sport, rock quality and steepness, and mitigating danger due to rock-fall.
I feel that the "work" done at Echo Cliffs falls roughly under the "multiple use" umbrella - and given that 95% of the route development was done well before the usage parameters were defined.
Spray-painting is, well just a simple defacement. It doesn't "fall" under any "outdoor use" parameters.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
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Funny how bolts, chalk and trail erosion are OK, but paint's not
Well, that's a separate issue (also worth discussing). Climbing, along with the bolts that make the climbing possible are currently sort of "grandfathered in" and are permitted by the park service. Trail erosion is always an issue with any area that sees a lot of use. Land managers in every park in the world have to mitigate these issues. Realistic non-draconian compromises are often made in order to allow people to enjoy public land while at the same time not totally destroying it. The current guidelines are reasonable and should be followed even if they weren't in the past.
Unnecessary brightly colored spray-paint in the wilderness, is pretty much universally condemned. I'm guessing any ranger who caught someone spray painting rocks wouldn't just walk on by and give them a thumbs-up.
Fortunately I'm not a land manager, I'm just someone who really f*#king hates graffiti.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 12:46am PT
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Park Rangers reading this thread might just wander down there and have a look around, and not quite feel the same about things as we do, and bye-bye Echo Cliffs
There is a great deal of alarmist rumor about Echo Cliffs that floats around on the web - perpetuated by people who don't have accurate information.
The park rangers can and do wander down there. They are well aware of the impact we have. I've been told we(climbers) are actually the smallest group they have to deal with compared to the large numbers of hikers and bikers that use the trails.
Having spoken with the head rangers face to face.. I can assure you that Echo Cliffs is not currently teetering on the brink of closure. They completely reasonable people. Their goal is to work with the public to resolve any issues that come up and keep the area open.. not find a reason to shut it down.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Don't be a puss, Hedge. I think they'd be stoked knowing that some folks actually Care.....
edit: you're edging towards "dick" again.....Life in a Vacuum, or some such.
BTW...Fuck you.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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We have had some problems with graffiti at one of our climbing areas. It was local tweaker kids.
This was full on spray paint on granite. I talked to a buddy and he said that they had good luck with a power washer hauled in there with a generator.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Hedge...good point about bolts and chalk but i think that bolts are hard to see for the non-climber...Chalk may be easier to see but in the big picture they have low visual impact...IMHO...
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Thanks, JTM
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cali kat
climber
CA
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This reminds me of when I was at Malibu Creek and saw a trail of goldfish crackers going all the way through the park. Picked up as many as I could....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I'm guessing any ranger who caught someone spray painting rocks wouldn't just walk on by and give them a thumbs-up.
Monday morning humor interlude.
An old friend was a ranger in Glacier NP BITD. It was past Labor Day so he
figured he had weathered another summer's worth of azzholes and idjits. He
was taking a nice cruise up and over Going To The Sun Pass. He gets to the
crest of the pass and sees a family outside their car. Thinking they might
need help he slows down. Now he needs help, with his blood pressure, when
he sees they are spray-painting the road cut! He gets out and confronts the
father.
"What the hell do you think you're doing?"
With a smarmy sneer the dad answers, "What does it look like we're doing?"
"THIS IS A NATIONAL PARK, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!"
The azzhole looks around him and says, "I don't see any sign saying I can't."
My buddy looks around and says, patting his .38, "I don't see any sign saying
I can't blow your fool head off, either."
After explaining the serious trouble the idjit was in my buddy decided to
cut them some slack and himself a bunch of paperwork. He just happened to
have a bunch of tools in his truck including a number of wire brushes. As
I recall the clean-up took a good three or four hours.
JTM - keep up the good fight!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Skip.... Thank you for cleaning up.
I was there yesterday, didn't notice a thing... cause you had finished up.
The meetup was there... but they were OK and well behaved and were climbing the usual climbs, I did stroll through after they left and picked up some litter.... mostly banana and orange peals.
ECHO was extra beautiful cause of all the flowers blooming and it was dead calm while everyplace else was having the "wind episode" .
So thanks again for cleaning up.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Do you think any of the gym owners will part with any of their profit to pay for cleaning up this mess?
Chaz, wouldn't that be like asking gun shops or manufacturers to pay for all the gun related deaths in their area? Come on, where is all that "personal responsibility" the right wingers are always talking about?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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DOH..
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MisterE
Social climber
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My wife is a rock star.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Thanks, JTM. That's awesome.
Fools and paint is nothing new, unfortunately. Up on Strawberry Peak, on the route to the third class from Josephine Saddle, somebody spray painted purple arrows on the route so people wouldn't get lost. The use trail is 2 feet wide, on the right side is a six foot high impenetrable wall of buckthorn, on the left is a six foot high impenetrable wall of manazanita.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Thanks Skip
Grampians
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