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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 17, 2013 - 11:04am PT
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I say close the Tioga road, pull up the pavement and make it into a hiking trail- sans horses, of course.
Slab climbers have strong legs.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
takin' the scenic route to Montana
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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Khanom, yes, this is a variation on the Tioga Pass opening date threads. Looks like you have the early date so far.
Jim, that sounds good to me.
Where should they start ripping up the pavement, Lee Vining?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 17, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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donini, 10b4me....I think you guys are either pulling our collective legs or jiving, right?
If they'd have done that when I was young, doubt I'd have experienced the outdoors as much as I did. Mom and Dad did great taking up all over the Sierra, but doubt they could have hiked all us kids into Tuolumne from Lee Vining. Only had a weeks vacation back then.
Of course some of today's kids would probably like the excuse to sit in front of the computer. If evolution proves true, children's legs will shrink, butts will grow into cushions and fingers will the the most powerful part of the human body.....Tami I need an illustration here. :D lynnie
Prediction: May 15
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
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Lynne,
not saying you should hike, but to make it more of an adventure,I think a horse and buggy would be more appropriate
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 17, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
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Veery close-minded of you to say that, Mr. Donini. You don't live here. You visited last when? How many people paid how much for that road to the pass?
Over fourteen million 1950s dollars (our parents' taxes bought your road to Lee Vining) for the two sections down from the summit to LV and to Crane Flat, and you say tear it up.
No way, Jose. It's gonna dump like hell in early May. July Fourth. (I like long shots.)
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Mtbphoto
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
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Mar 17, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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Any data for when the road opened to the gate in the past? My guess for the road going all the way through is May 10th :)
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Mtbphoto
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
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Mar 17, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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Bad wording on my post. Wondering if there is data for when the Tioga Rd opens from Lee Vining to the park gate, not through the park.
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PeteStaehling
Social climber
Baltimore Md
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Mar 19, 2013 - 10:34am PT
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"No doubt bike lanes will not be added the next time major work is done. If they could do that it for even part of the road that would make it one of the truly great rides around."
I rode it in 2011 on a San Diego to Reno bicycle tour and thought it already was a truly great ride. I really didn't feel that the lack of bike lanes was a problem.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 19, 2013 - 11:41am PT
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That's okay Lynne, we'll keep the road open to the Tioga Pass Resort....from the Eastside.
We're trying to replace carbon footprints with real footprints....ha, ha.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 19, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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With "NO $$$$$$$ .... to plow" .... I guess June 10th.
Something in my old bones says we are going to have wet late March. Maybe even snow in April and a pre Memorial Day dump of snow.
The Needles upper road will open in late June but will be 4x4 only...
Lower Needles road.... closed due to budget cuts.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
The great state of advaita
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Mar 19, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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Hey, it's always open! Just depends on how you want to get up and through there. I think east side underground may have some beta on that. Question is whether he'll share it! Ha ha! John Muir and Jeremiah Johnson mostly likely would have waltzed through as well. Stupid Americans! :-)
> Something in my old bones says we are going to have wet late March.
I'm going with your instincts! The first year I cam out to California I entered via Tioga Pass in 1989 April, right after the March Miracle. Was blown away by 20+ foot drifts and vowed that I'd come back to this place soon. And the rest is history!
Eric
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Mar 19, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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My feeling about this spring is that a pattern of warm, short-duration, fairly dry air-masses is established, and this will continue with little significant addition to the snow pack. Look at the forecast for tonight-tomorrow: "Between 1/10th and 1/4 inches of new precipitation." Then another week of sunny, warm weather...
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 19, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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What would Norman Clyde do?
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Fletcher
Trad climber
The great state of advaita
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Mar 19, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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Norman would be curled up by the fireplace drinking whiskey and reading the The Odyssey in the original ancient Greek!
Eric
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 20, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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Donini, I actually do agree with the footprint replacement. As 10b4me suggested, small pony (less manure) and a buggy. Bringing in supplies to the yurt from Mammoth will be epic. Ohhhhhh, just kidding of course.
But seriously. I do agree with ways to make the area better, in all ways. With cars and tourists comes an enormous amount of trash. I sometimes pickup trash on my day off. A couple pulled over and said someone had left a big pile of dirty diapers etc. at a nearby pull out. Went and got them. Yuck. Some humans.......not all, just some, need schooling. lynnie
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Mar 20, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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I agree with Donini. When I used to vacation with my parents in Tuolumne Meadows in the late 50s, it was a very special private place with a terrible road that defeated the tourist hoards. Everyone grew beards, even the NPS Rangers, because going to TM was almost like moving to Alaska. Lot of people at the time said that widening the Tioga Road was going to wreck the place. And they were right in many ways. Too many forces screaming to open it up and let the tour buses roar. Does TM really have a special wilderness feel when the doors of those buses open and a hoard of travelers hit the bathrooms en masse in front of the TM Store and Grill? Kinda grim! One thing sure has changed: The Rangers were a lot friendlier back then.
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Greg Barnes
climber
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Mar 20, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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Planners/rangers agree with you too, Bruce - they are planning on removing most roadside parking altogether, curbs preventing pulling off, etc. They are trying to reduce Tuolumne use traffic by reducing overall parking. You will end up with no way to park close to many crags, less chance of finding a spot to park even to take the shuttle, and (probably) the same no-shuttles-early-or-late season.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
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^^^^that's going to work at the Cathedral trailhead.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 20, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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my mom told me stories about driving up to Tenaya lake and throwing down a tent in the 60's. Thinking about a little california alps, riding a bike from trail head to trail head with a light pack and linking big domes and peaks... man that sounds like heavan. Can do it now but riding a bike on that road in the high season gets a little sketchy.
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