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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 23, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jan 23, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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I enjoy the irony that as the tits got smaller, the more upset peoples got.
I thought the Boob thread was quite cutting-edge and thought provoking.
Grok on this for a minute:
If underage tities are so horribly wrong (and I'm not sure what as posted was underage), then does that make topless beaches in Europe where parents walk around with their kids the devil's playground?
No, at the end of the day, it is the human body, male or female.
If we as westerners saw more nudity, we would be desensitized to it and it wouldn't be the issue it is.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jan 23, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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...oh, if you don't like the female upper body, why open the thread?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 23, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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seriously
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 23, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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this thread was started by a young woman with an agenda
Tony,
I think CMac acted properly in removing the thread, given his potential liability. I've seen many people sentenced to be remanded to the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons for child pornography, and those were almost always my most depressing days in court. Also, Super Topo is in the business of selling climbing guides, and can legitimately regulate content that might drive potential customers away because of unnecessary offense.
Nonetheless, I feel a need to stand up for my friend Anastasia. While I'm sure she's amused to be called a young woman, her only "agenda" was, I'm quite sure, having some fun (and poking some fun rather gently)at the expense of her male friends.
Anastasia is a climber, wife, mother, and also the holder and expounder of political beliefs that are often the exact opposite of mine. I find her contributions here valuable. I would also note that she, too, took a rather extended sabbatical from ST and I, for one, am glad she chose to return.
While I'm sorry that Lolli has decided to leave (temporarily, I hope), I just can't see the happenings on any climbers' forum as serious. Also, I don't think we'd have a worthwhile forum if we all had to tiptoe on eggshells for fear of offending someone. Again, this is a private forum, and CMac has the right to regulate it in any way he sees fit. I, for one, greatly appreciate how he's given us as wide a latitude as possible to express ourselves.
John
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
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I think Anastasia is a wonderful person. Shes a hell of a lot more mature, intelligent and nicer than most of us.
jus sayin...
Ama Dablam! Woot! Nice one Bruce.
I'll see your Ama Dablam and raise you an underage Tibetian girls shaking the horse bells on a Mt Everest trip photo.
Speaking of the little children...if ya want to raise a lil climber ya need to start early they say.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
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Nice one moosie
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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cmac deleted the boobs thread? i thought t*r scuttled it by dumping a zillion pics of a nuclear explosion on it, making the load-in very time consuming. then, as punishment, so the gossip here goes, cmac disabled her account. correct me if i'm wrong.
i will admit that i'm only theorizing that lolli left because of all this.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
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"i will admit that i'm only theorizing that lolli left because of all this."
You'd be playing the percentages.
We had a problem like this at one of the bars I worked.
Women wouldn't walk in, (or wouldn't stay very long or wouldn't come back again if they did walk in) as long as the joint was dominated by loud, rude, dirt-workers who showed up early and stayed all night ( couldn't go home because that's where their wives were ). Too rude or too stupid to keep their hurtful language to themselves.
We fixed that by getting rid of the things they liked, like Budweiser Draft ( replaced with Guiness ), the pool table ( replaced with a piano and dance floor ) and the Lottery ( replaced by nothing ).
The positive results were immediate. The loud dirt-workers found another sausage-bar and couples and groups of women and educated guys started coming in. It became a cool place to hang and a fun place to work.
I don't know how you would work that here, though.
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John M
climber
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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CMac deleted the thread. The photo bombs didn't destroy the thread, they just made it difficult to get through.
Anastasia has a more European mindset. As do others here. Something you don't seem to understand.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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how about the other women, John?
a number of them have posted their "displeasure' with the boob thread
maybe they didn't have a European mindset, but they kept quiet and let it go on
and only when it was deleted did they speak out
and women were not the only ones who felt a boob thread did not belong here, there were some males who spoke out also
t*r decided to not be quiet about how she felt, she had had enough
this is a public internet web site, about climbers and climbing
presumably people of all ages and genders from around the world visit this site
why is it "oK" to support the righteousness of the boob thread anyway?
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John M
climber
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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Norton.. I appreciate that some people didn't like the thread. Male or female. As I told Sullly, I didn't know what to tell her about the thread. I can see why she doesn't like it and I can see why some people are not offended. What I was referring to was Tony's assumption that since Anastasia didn't delete the thread this must mean she had ego involved or was immature. I find that characterization kind of shallow and narrow minded.
I liked the thread, but knew that it would become gross eventually, which is why I deleted the pictures that I posted.
I wish that there was a mature way to enjoy the beauty of the female body without all of the inherent background garbage that goes along with it, but there doesn't seem to be. At least not on an open forum.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Jan 23, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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I saw the first 40 or so posts on the boob thread & thought it was a refreshing break from the gun threads. For sure there are some here that will take it to taste bordering level, as almost any thread. If you don't like the thread, or any thread, then don't read it. I don't read the political threads but I don't mind if others do. Should I bomb the dog or gun threads ?? If you think there's child porn on it call the cops or whatever you need to do. Glad she's gone, doesn't climb...bye bye.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 23, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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Settle down, or I'm gonna have to come over there and knock some sense into you!
More:
selfish man, that was f'nunny.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 23, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
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The folks who think there were photos of underage women on that thread must be in their late 30's at least. Anyone visit a college campus lately? The freshmen look like infants, like children. Moreover, Law Enforcement goes after child pornography with a righteous vengence. All the photos on the Boobs thread were conjured through a simple Google image search for "boobs", "tits", or "breasts."
The most surprising thing about this whole debacle is the extraordinary level of wildly uninformed commentary. I spent five years at The Evergreen State College, the birthplace of radical post-feminism, the Riotgrrl movement, Queercore music, etc. Many of the most established thinkers in family studies and woman's studies teach there -- Stephanie Coontz, Susan Strassman, and so on. My ex-wife, who many of you know, met me just a few weeks after moving out of one of Olympia's most fundamentalist lesbian households. So I know a bit about some of this stuff. And when I read the commentary here, I cringe. It has all the insight and subtlety and understanding and nuance of a cafeteria food fight.
The strident pronouncements on the boobs thread about it being "porn"; how it served this purpose, or that -- or not; how Cmac was potentially criminally liable, on and on and on. Please. I guess there are a lot of people here with very little drama in their lives for whom this provides something to get worked up over. When I wake up in the morning, I wonder what I can do that day to make my 20-year-old autistic son's life better, or how I'm gonna pay for my daughter's braces. The boobs thread was a lightweight and comical diversion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a cultural ostrich who needs to go read the current issue of Cosmo for some grounding in current American cultural norms. There will always be the t*r's of the world -- and apparently her apologists as well -- people who will take offense from out of left field at God knows what. From what I can tell this is just the latest in a long and storied history of meltdowns worthy of any teenager. I was shocked to learn she's apparently in her 30's?!
In any event, at least try to inform yourselves before you squander any more of you time on this. Folks are couching their remarks within the context of broad cultural assumptions that do not bear up to even the most casual scrutiny.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jan 23, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
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word up bvb.
Back to the original" serious matter"...
Why you deny pad Tony?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 23, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
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There's a general dynamic at play here - female, non serious or non climbers offended that male and mostly dedicated climbers are having fun trading photos of titties.
...except that the majority of posting Supertopians who were against the thread were men.
climbing used to be a solid boys club, and women knew their place in it. You mean like Bonnie Prudden and Jan Conn knew their place?
It's almost like lots of climbing women are threatened by physically beautiful women, especially those with extra weight in their upper body who don't climb. Again, even though more men posted against that thread, you are focused on "fat women." Not the brightest star in the galaxy you, I have to think....
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