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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
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Let's hope our President doesn't have to speak at any more
memorials like tonight's.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:03pm PT
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reeeotch,must be nice to walk that fence,slam both sides,never take a stance. bye
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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In the coming weeks, I’ll use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens, from law enforcement, to mental health professionals, to parents and educators, in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this, because what choice do we have? We can’t accept events like this as routine.
Crap, he played the 'lets look for a way to help our kids' card.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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C'mon Norton, they weren't insults. They could more accurately be called cynical remarks aimed at our seemingly ineffective political system. I'm not attacking anyone.
Wilbeer, If you must know, I'm not sure how much of an impact gun restrictions would have on the level of violence in our country. I hear that the cities with the most restrictive laws also have the highest levels of violence.
Look guys, I'm not out to fight. I like heated discussion. Maybe a little ribbing, but no need to get hostile. Like I said, I'm still in the gathering of information phase.
In the coming weeks, I’ll use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens, from law enforcement, to mental health professionals, to parents and educators, in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this, because what choice do we have? We can’t accept events like this as routine.
The president has my full support on this. But, it is not only about gun control.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
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Why do republicons love leaders who are posers, liars, and hypocrites so much?
That's easy. It's because they want leaders who accurately reflect their core values.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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The sad truth is that this kind of craziness will continue to be a part of Our American Experience.
The real sad truth is a hoard of sackless cowards believe and perpetrate this myth.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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You're right Norton, I broke the flow of the thread. I'll try to be more considerate next time.
I've seen much harsher stuff getting posted regularly on here. But, I was the first one who called Obama into question - my bad!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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we should all be proud of OUR president.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
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Yes it was YOUR bad.
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KlimbIn
climber
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
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I'm 46. I have kids that were that age not that long ago. I have been climbing outside since Thusrday, enjoying the fantastic weather we've been having, away from the media. I just heard the news today and saw the speech tonight.
I cried: for the children who will not grow, for my children who that might have been, and for the parents who will never forget the loss.
The President never mentioned guns in this speech. Listen with your heart and an open mind. He said that we must find a solution whatever it may be to keep these murders from happening.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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He said that we must find a solution
the gun nuts know the solution they just can't say it outloud
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
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Reeotch, where in the 4 corners?
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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still tryin' to figure out the rules, philo . . .
nick d, Kayenta, on the Navajo rez.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 16, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
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A moving, eloquent and, more importantly, honest speech. I believe that Obama spoke from the heart......let's see what follows. I would sell any stock i had in companies who make assault weapons.
If any good comes from this tragedy it will be helping to, in a small way, neuter the NRA a truly horrific institution.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 16, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
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Toadgas shows his powerful intellect by calling the President an "atheist"
in all honesty, Obama does not sound credible when he speaks in the terms of old-time religion...he's a highly intelligent fellow who likely, in his heart, is an atheist...he (was) a lawyer, with a Harvard education, after all
and then Toadgas says that the President is an Atheist because, wait for this, he was a lawyer, and you know, with a "Harvard education"
so dumb ass Toadgas, is Mitt Romney an "atheist" because he is a Harvard lawyer?
How about the nine Supreme Court Justices and HALF of our US Congress, they are lawyers AND Harvard educated.
THEY are all "atheist" in your so educated opinion?
OR, is is just the President who is an Atheist, Toady?
You know, the black Democrat President guy?
Damn, I am tired of this relentless, constant, bullshit ignorance
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 17, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH WAS AWESOME!!!
One of the BEST Spiritual speeches EVER!
He REALLY spooke to my Soul.
He even said "Soul" 4 times.
And reverted to the Bible, like 10 times.
He actually quoted Jesus!
i'm SO Stoked to have a Black Christian in the White House!
Now if we could get a Big Black Southern Baptist Chior behind him we could have a Revival!!!
God Bless You Mr.President Obama..
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 17, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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One of the most difficult and most important parts of your president's job description is as mourner-in-chief. Obama performs it as well as he does much of the rest of his job, which is to say quite well indeed in the circumstances.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 17, 2012 - 01:01am PT
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I missed the speech but heard it is very powerful. I'll go watch it.
This gun-rabble is a side show that can wait a week or two. It is an obvious connection to make, but what makes these people tick is more important.
You can't round up the mentally ill. That covers a wide amount of ground from fully functioning people on meds and others who have no idea of where they are.
Nothing is black and white. So many shades of grey.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 17, 2012 - 03:17am PT
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He sounded exactly how you would expect and hope a president would sound who does not at all relish the idea of attending yet a fifth such mass murder memorial in as many years, which is what he will be doing the way we're going now.
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