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crasic
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Oct 24, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
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Its because they don't expect anyone to contest and actually go to court.
They are expecting you to send in payment so they don't bother scheduling every traffic ticket until its pretty obvious you aren't planning on paying. Imagine how many citations are given on federal land daily, and how bogged the system would be if everyone of them is put on the docket immediately?
And Ron, I'm well aware of the issues around lovers leap, I've never camped there illegally* and always tell my friends not to camp in closed areas if they are driving in late with no hope of finding a campsite. There are plenty of legal bivy sites not far from the leap that one can use.
*except that one time I stayed in the handiaccesible site, but I'm not sure if it just applies to the parking or the whole site :\
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Oct 24, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
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crasic,
Considering you have a golden eagle pass that makes you over the age of 60.
I think you meant Golden Age Pass.
Standard now is the "National Parks Pass",
and the "Golden Eagle Pass" gets you into a few more federal places.
It seems like if you fail to display it, they have already spent the time to write the ticket, so you should pay.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 24, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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I think you meant Golden Age Pass.
Yeah, I did. Just never heard anyone refer to it as anything other then the "annual pass" so i assumed it was the golden age passport.
Interstingly enough though, from the USFS
http://www.fs.fed.us/passespermits/goldens.shtml
Are Golden Passports and National Parks Passes still valid?
Golden Eagle Passports and National Parks Passes are not valid. These passes were issued up to December 31, 2006 and were only valid for one year.
So I assumed he meant the the "senior" golden passport.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 24, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
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Is this 1995? Cell phones and computers are no longer differentiated luxury goods, they are basically commodities. They cost less than clothes.
And of course I have a computer, I did say I was a student several times right?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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KovaR! (the R is capitolized, because it's like runout, like, you're like a runout climb, hella hard!)
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
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What's a 'Rat Hole'?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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The Chicken Wired service entrance to under your house I think
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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When a dirtbag shuts one of his holes, its beneficial. Any hole shut is one less dirtbag hole.
Now get off this site and study, student. You're on our dollar.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Crasic was a tosser?
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crasic
climber
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
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Now get off this site and study, student. You're on our dollar.
At least you justify the second half of your name.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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Whatever gets your face back in those books, charlie....
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crasic
climber
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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It seems there is a lot of butthurt over people figuring out ways to get around the rules. A quintessential American tradition and an expression of the entrepreneurial spirit that is the foundation of american capitalism
In any case, my relatives died in gulags and sharashkas, way to be edgy with your internet persona.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:31pm PT
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Hmm, they keep changing the name of the pass.
My current one (expires in 2013) says:
"The National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands Pass" (on the text side)
and "ANNUAL PASS" on the picture side.
It's warped from the very first time I put it on my dashboard, due to high temps inside the car.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2012 - 04:44pm PT
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It seems there is a lot of butthurt over people figuring out ways to get around the rules. A quintessential American tradition and an expression of the entrepreneurial spirit that is the foundation of american capitalism
In any case, my relatives died in gulags and sharashkas, way to be edgy with your internet persona.
Seriously, stop talking and go study. Youre the one who came in here as the dirtbag savant, spraying.
Thanks for chasing me around all day though.
...and way to take the name literally. You have no idea where it came from.
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Brock Wagstaff
Trad climber
Larkspur
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Oct 24, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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The history of the Lovers Leap campground is an interesting one, starting with very rudimentary camping and no facilities. In the 80's the homeowners below the traditional camping area cut off access, and it was through many discussions with the Forest Service and a threatened lawsuit that the camp in it's present form began to take shape. In many ways, this was also the birth of the Access Fund, because much of the legal work was handled by Armando Menocal who then went on to be one of their founders. With the help of the FS a bunch of us from the Sierra Nevada Section of the AAC built the first campsites and installed a single wooden outhouse. Later, the FS came back and improved the campsites, added additional ones, piped in water, and installed the present day toilets. They stepped up and supported the climbing community, and have been fantastic partners in keeping the Leap campground off the public maps. Part of our original agreement was to allow free camping and no road sign indicating the location of the campground. For many years they kept this promise, maintained the campground, and left us climbers pretty much alone. But times have changed and money is tight... I have NO problem with the fees, and we still have an amazing place to climb with incredible camping. We should enjoy it while we can!
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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^^this
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crasic
climber
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Oct 24, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
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Seriously, stop talking and go study. Youre the one who came in here as the dirtbag savant, spraying.
Actually, I never said I was a dirtbag, I even pay my use fees at the leap, I just enjoy learning their strategies and and occasionally partake in them to keep my recreation affordable when possible. But I will defend my dirtbag brothers from people like you who feel its necessary to tell everyone what to do and what is right.
On the other hand, you seem pretty butthurt so I'll let you be. I'm not the one with an unfair $75 ticket he can't contest ;). I have gotten out of all my tickets from federal rangers and the CHP before so my advice would probably be useful to you. But you seem to prefer to judge me than actually listen to what I'm saying.
Protip: You can ask for a trial by written declaration even in federal court, and they will most likely grant it for parking offenses because it will save them money. Its not listed anywhere on the ticket, but you just have to be persistent, send in an official request, and call the right people to make sure they actually get it. The clerk at the number you called most likely doesn't know anything because she just deals with payment processing. Gaming the system requires some creativity :)
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Oct 24, 2012 - 05:06pm PT
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Isn't there some irony here when the same person whining about a $75 ticket is the same guy lecturing about dirtbags?
I don't think either is anything to be bragging about. Jesus, it's $75. What's to discuss. Send them a check and be done with it. That's barely the cost of a decent dinner.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Oct 24, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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Dirtbag savant? I literally just sh*t myself at work.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
SLO, Ca
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Oct 24, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
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Call the court and try to continue your court date. Then call the USFS and try to resolve it by providing a copy of your pass. Then request that the usfs dismiss the court proceeding.
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