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Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:29pm PT

The Republicans, or at least their corporate masters, would just love it if we all learned to serf. And it would serf us right.

hossjulia

Social climber

Eastside (of the Tetons)

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:31pm PT

Good one Anders.

nature

climber

Boulder, CO

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:36pm PT

I'm not sure i've had a shittier/harder year than 2012. Can't wait for 2013.

nita

Social climber

chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:37pm PT

"Is anybody else worried about 2013?"

No...
well, i may worry if i have to wear the magic underpants...

Remember, The Great Depression lasted 15 years and unemployment was @ 30 %.....
It sounds like you have plenty to eat and a roof over your head.....

I realize i am way better off then millions of people...I try to complain less and try to help others....

Edit: Hey, Cap'n....Jinx...we post @ the same time.....(-;

Captain...or Skully

climber

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:37pm PT

Yer gonna die, of course....

Grampa

climber

from SoCal

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2012 - 10:38pm PT

I fully understand there are a lot of people who have it much worse than we do. My wife has clients from Argentina who are sacrificing a substantial percentage of their wealth to get the remaining money out to the US. It is bad, yes, but they have leadership to blame and the people did not do it to themselves.

We, in particular California, are doing this to ourselves. Being a Dem or a Rep does not matter, if the state votes for higher taxes we all pay. Do you honestly think the California State Government will really put that money to schools and not the states debts?

As for the Fed intervention in the equity and bond markets, you need to study and read that for yourself. I have watched the markets since business school in the 80's and have learned to read "between the lines". Do not think things are as great as the gov says and please do not assume the stock market and your 401K are safe. Most "smart" money is in cash right now.

Maybe I am looking at the darkest side, but after living through the gas lines and inflation of the 70's, I do not want to repeat that again.

Yes, I need to climb more and worry less. Agreed!!!! But, I can barely afford the gas and since we have had 3 layoffs in 2 years, I now work 6 days a week for the same pay I had 2 years ago.

I am tired of all this, just plain tired.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:52pm PT

Have any of you "I'm frightened of the big bad tax man" holes considered moving to a country where there are no taxes?

Along with no roads, no running water, no sewer systems, no police, no ambulance, no DMV, no EPA, no clean air acts, no internet forums where you can freely express your distastes with the government, and plenty of religious types all around to share your experiences with…..

Another bump for Anastasia… Grampa seems to have no idea, or at least is pointing at the wrong problem….

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Oct 14, 2012 - 10:58pm PT

Now, too much of nothing
Can make a man feel ill at ease
One man’s temper might rise
While another man’s temper might freeze
In the day of confession
We cannot mock a soul
When there’s too much of nothing
No one has control

well, i may worry if i have to wear the magic underpants...

All depends, I guess!

Some people tell me that worried blues ain't bad
It's the worst old feeling I ever had

Captain...or Skully

climber

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:00pm PT

Worry is wasted energy that you're gonna need.
Not worried. Focused.

Ricky D

Trad climber

Sierra Westside

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:10pm PT

Your questions can all be answered with an in depth reading of the "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

We have peaked as an Capitalist Industrial Middle Class Based Civilization.

Next comes a slow decline into Oligarchy where we will be serfs to vineyard owning multi-millionaires.

Hope you can short hoe.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:16pm PT

but did i mention the un employment and the fact I live in the NUMBER ONE county in America for that?

Sounds like a a complaint, to which I say "You could leave"

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:20pm PT

hoedown! Depends how you look at it, I spose.

Whattya want? The real thing or some cheap trick?

Lovely mermaids

SteveW

Trad climber

The state of confusion

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:27pm PT

If Romney is elected, I am!

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:29pm PT

I'm hanging with Gibbon now. I read the book and could not put it away. Read it again, too.

It's not the decline that kills ya. Quite a messy business, too. It did not go quietly. We shouldn't either, come to that. But the question, about fear?

“Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running with them.”
― Marcus Aurelius

“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”
― Marcus Aurelius

“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.”
― Marcus Aurelius

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:34pm PT

“Dwell on a life of beauty. Stare at your watch. And pretend you either are running on your hands or empty”
― Marcus Brown

“Your mind has power over outside events. If you realize this, you can control others.”
― Peter Noone

“Never disturb the future. Let it get some rest, else it may meet you in a dark alley, not Kirstie, and drink your cup dry.”

― Marcus Brown & Peter Noone

"Frazier quit just before I did."
― Ali

After someone falls on a decline, does he (or she, sorry Kirstie) ever get back up?

I'm here to tell ya - yes - especially in the day of the Paul Ryan long count.

euro-brief-guy

Boulder climber

Auburn, ca

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:37pm PT

America is in decline. If Obama wins it happens faster. If Romney wins it happens a little slower.

End of days......I hope I'm wrong.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Oct 14, 2012 - 11:43pm PT

And besides it takes MONEY TO MOVE

Not sure you heard about this guy who walked across America.. for no real reason (from what I understand)… just to do it… Started with nothing, got everything he needed from strangers on the road… Heard it was a life changing event for him…

I heard this stuff once.. If you build it they will come… if you want something enough nothing can stop you.. you just have to believe… That's most important I hear.

If Obama wins it happens faster. If Romney wins it happens a little slower. End of days......I hope I'm wrong.

Bwahahaha

Imagination can be such a wonderful or scary place… How many other things have the right been so wrong on… The right and the religious seem to always get things wrong

Guangzhou

Trad climber

Asia, Indonesia, East Java

Oct 15, 2012 - 12:12am PT

It's so easy to worry about things, but I am not worried about the fall of the U.S.A. The U.S. is very good at getting itself into jams, but even better at coming out stronger than it went in.

One advantage of a free enterprise system is that individuals can and do find new and improved ways to progress.

The taxonomist above, I feel bad that your business declined to an inferior product. This seems to be happening a lot these days. I just have to wonder if they aren't two different markets for your product. Sort of like any other product or service. One market for those hunters that say this is good enough and another for those who want high end and well done product.

I’m using your field as an example, nothing more, but a taxidermist a few years ago had the idea of writing a book, or producing videos, to earn money with his craft. Seems like this person took the field in a new direction. The suppliers now have hobbyist who most likely buy tons of stuff and waste a lot, and garage businesses who also over buy, that they can sell product to. Again, I know nothing about your field.

I ran a climbing guide service in Tennessee years ago. Taught some guys who wore green berets in the Army and had a couple of state contract working with at-risk-youth. Looking around, I saw lots of people teach basic climbing for much less than I did. I sold the business because I decided that those guys would work for much less than me and that my buyers outside of the government contract wouldn’t know the difference. Even-though these “climbers” or “guides” couldn't offer a product that was to my standards, the buyer had no idea what the difference initially. When I sold the business, I also sold the government contracts.

Same is true with climbing gyms. Long time ago, you could slap some plywood up with t-nuts, offer a couple roofs and mostly vertical walls and you had a gym. Wall became more refined, then gyms added weight-rooms, follow by yoga and Pilates classes. Now starting a gym require much more to be competitive.

Hard times are what helps Americans move forward and develop new directions to move in. New innovations, products, and better services are adaptations, much like Darwin’s Classical Evolution Theory. Am I worried about 2013, no, do I think 2013 will be easy, no not at all.