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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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May 16, 2006 - 02:37pm PT
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isn't patagonia privately owned?
public ownership is the most surefire way to shoot an environmentally friendly record to hell. i don't think the coonyards could have pulled off half what pataguch has if they had to listen to a board.
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 16, 2006 - 03:02pm PT
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dirtineye, are you drunk? :-)
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Anastasia
Trad climber
Near a mountain, CA
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May 16, 2006 - 03:46pm PT
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"Dean is at the pinnacle of free solo climbing."
--Dude, what do they call Bachar and Reardon if he's the pinnacle?--
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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May 16, 2006 - 04:20pm PT
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Reardon and Bachar are the cairn atop the pinnacle, marking its position as such..
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 16, 2006 - 04:23pm PT
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He's just "At" the pinnacle, he isn't "the Pinnacle."
And where would you put Croft, Hersey, Werner, Fowler, barber, ad nauseum?
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Anastasia
Trad climber
Near a mountain, CA
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May 16, 2006 - 04:33pm PT
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Croft, Bachar, Hersey, Werner, Fowler, Barber, Reardon, and Nauseum are the Gods that watch from above...
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(Don't get me wrong about my view of Dean... I do respect Dean's accomplishments, I just don't want him placed above others that deserve the same respect.)
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2006 - 04:42pm PT
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Now wait a minute here I don't belong in this group at all and definately am no God.
Dog maybe fits me better.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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May 16, 2006 - 05:03pm PT
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NO loomis, I'm stoned out of my mind on anti nausea drugs
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 16, 2006 - 05:04pm PT
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What do you get when you combine these in to one human being? An insomniac, agnostic and dyslexic.
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nate
Trad climber
virginia
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May 16, 2006 - 05:05pm PT
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I think you people might be forgetting what he did in Patogonia (a place as well as a clothing company btw). Pretty Damn Legit.
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rockgizmo
Trad climber
Colorado
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May 16, 2006 - 05:08pm PT
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Here a couple of ideas and read on the Patagonia Conservation webpage. I’ll summaries so I don’t get in trouble.
Patagonia declares itself a company that is committed to protecting “undomesticated” ecosystems. I guess the Arches National Park is not undomesticated in the eyes of Patatgonia due to the tourist roads.
They also believe that their business has helped to inspire solutions to environmental problems. How have they done this, by supporting individuals who destroy the environment but make them money.
On another page of their website, Patagonia talks about Chouinard and the beginnings of the company. They boast that Chouinard and Frost got out of the piton business because it was not environmentally friendly and that this was a huge business risk. I guess that dropping your biggest assbassitor would lose you too much money. Or has Chouinards old company sold out like so many others for the almighty dollar.
Here is the web address for Patagonia: http://www.patagonia.com/enviro/main_enviro_action.shtml
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 16, 2006 - 05:09pm PT
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dirtineye, ok, I understand, good luck.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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May 16, 2006 - 05:15pm PT
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Loomis: a person who sits up all night wondering if there is a dog.
probably a more worthwhile pursuit than going to a big white building where everyone pats themselves on the back for being so pious.
concerned biologist? ok, if it had been geo i might have let it go, but gimme a break, SAVE THE LICHEN MICROENVIRONMENT!!!
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PDHMAN
Trad climber
Eastside N of Bishop just S of 395
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May 16, 2006 - 05:21pm PT
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Gee...I wonder what Patagonia's founder and a "TRUE GOD" from above, "YC", thinks about this whole thing????? Hmmmmm???? Bet ya he isn't on the "Wow, what an aesthetic and charming job, Dean!" list.
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 16, 2006 - 05:24pm PT
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Wow! this is better than a movie!
"Levy knows where this comes from"
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 16, 2006 - 05:30pm PT
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YC is Patagonia's cofounder. I personally don't think he cares.
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wp4chex3
Ice climber
new york city
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May 16, 2006 - 05:31pm PT
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you guys are a bunch of weenies. Who cares? whatever POACH it!!!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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May 16, 2006 - 05:43pm PT
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Outside of wondering what the land managers' reactions will be to this, does anybody really care that Delicate Arch was climbed? I think Patagonia's stance rides the middle road perfectly, they neither endorse nor condem the ascent. Stating that they learned of the ascent after the event exonorates them from being involved in any way, a good thing to do for a multi-$$$ company.
George, I don't think it'd be possible to TR the thing in the way you mention. Although, there's the possibility that you could get some gear in.
I think Dean got away with this one. The spirit of the regulation before the ascent was pretty clear. Now it's undeniable. As for picking a plum, this was certainly one of 'em. But why he chose the spotlight, a mystery.
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George Bell
Trad climber
Colorado
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May 16, 2006 - 05:45pm PT
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I just got the exact same email in response to my letter of last week. Patagonia's response saddens me greatly. Like "wp4chex3" said, the second ascent is up for grabs! Just don't let Patagonia know of your plans, and don't get caught.
As for the bow and arrow rumor, check out http://themountainworld.blogspot.com/ and look at the comments under "A pattern?".
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 16, 2006 - 05:48pm PT
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Yes, it's only illegal if you get caught.
I break the law every day and we all do :-))
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