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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:23am PT
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I though it would be nice to have a thread where SuperTopo Christians could tell tell their story and make a statement of faith.
Why don't you go first Spider? Don't forget to follow the format :)
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:30am PT
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Yes Spider , you should practice what you preach .
Give us your 3
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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Thanks, Tooth, for the insightful statements. I agree with everything you said.
I, too, have read the bible. It is a wonderful and inspiring story. The rock opera Jesus Christ Superstar remains one of my favorites. Generally I live by christian morals because I believe they're good - but my real "god" is freedom. Screw with my freedom and feel my wrath.
I make the joke that I became a christian when I had a "lobotomy" because modern christians in America seem to have lost all perspective of their own bible. The Jesus that I know and respect was man who preached love and inclusion, not the derision and exclusion that is so fervently spouted by christians today.
You don't like what I said? Then I challenge you christians to make a real change. We live in a secular state with millions and millions of non-christians. Enjoy your religion but don't try to shove your ancient mythology down my throat like it's all actually true.
Okay, I'm done, out of respect for your wishes and out of respect for the OP. Get on with your Christ fest.
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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The Jesus that I know and respect was man who preached love and inclusion, not the derision and exclusion that is so fervently spouted by christians today.
By my read of your writing, you're having a difficult time honoring love and inclusion yourself, Rat. You've expressed a lot of hate and exclusion above.
I guess what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, hmmmm?
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:21am PT
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All you atheists better hope you are right.
Sierra Ledge Rat, YOU call Christians paranoid?
Spider, nice thought but you can see where it goes. The climbing "community", for the most part, is a godless, intolerant bunch.
The problem is that very few can differentiate between man-made "religion" and true "Christianity". I just pray for their souls on a daily basis.
Uppity verbage like that is what makes us think you are all retarded and annoying....speaking of intolerance. The simple mentioning that you are 'praying for our souls' is intolerant, and worse, pompous and arrogant. I am an educated person, educated enough to know how to make my own decisions based on my own life and beliefs. Damn well educated enough to know that a belief IS man-made.
"better hope we are right"? You had better do the same, my friend. Pray for yourself and yours, not for me and mine. We're doing fine.
Good luck with the Xtian thread though, I dont know what you thought would happen....
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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...Screw with my freedom and feel my wrath...
Don't screw with my freedom and we'll get along just fine. That's all I'm asking for. Shall I add "please?"
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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All you atheists better hope you are right.
Darn, looks like we have one more now to add to our fundamentalist list.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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Scew Jeesus. Go climbing fukcers.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:31am PT
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Yup, one of the biggies with christians, the seemingly overwhelming need to save and convert everybody. Religion is an exclusive concept, most exclude beliefs other than their own. Thats my problem, do what you do, but get off me.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:44am PT
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Just like you, Jody, we know we're right!
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
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All you atheists better hope you are right.
 So, let me get this straight….. You take your beliefs to be a bet? You believe because of a possible (though completely imaginary until the time of death) unfavorable outcome if you don't believe?
Just keep talking Xistians… the evidence you provide with every line leads me to only one conclusion…
There is no god.
You just need to realize it too.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
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2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
CoZmic brought that one right to my face.
He's one of the greatest Christians I've ever met.
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micronut
Trad climber
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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I'm a Christian.
A sinner. A dude who is grateful every day for the real transforming power of Christ in my life. Its the real deal. In the words of Rich Mullins, "I did not make it, it is making me." I've seen too many supernatural things that go way too far beyond reality that point directly to a sovreign and loving creator who is in the process of redeeming a broken mankind. It is my life and my worldview and its good beyond measure.
You guys know I like writing Trip Reports, maybe someday I'll write a TR about what Jesus has done in my life. Probably a small audience here on Del SuperTaco though.
Thanks for the topic. Looking forward to hearing more from Christians and non/other religions around here.
By the way. Heaven is gonna be a lot like Tuolumne...minus the afternoon thunderstorms.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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"I've seen too many supernatural things that go way too far beyond reality..."
Please no one reply, Do tell.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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MOST of us believe what we were RAISED to believe...
We are reflections of our parents...
That right there reveals one hell of a LOT...
At least to me, it does...
yep
just depends on how carefully our little zygote picked his/her parents
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
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I don't care what someone's spiritual beliefs are, I just don't want to have to listen to their Proselytizing.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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That's like saying "I don't care what someone's spiritual beliefs are, I just don't want to have to look at someone wearing a turban or a hinjab".
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micronut
Trad climber
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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HFCS,
Heres one.
In Nepal a few years ago, I was sent into a little building to have a look at a woman who I assumed was having a diabetic issue, though the locals told me she was possessed. I was pretty much skeptical, bein' a westerner and all, though I believe in the occult, I had never had experience with such things. I was kinda...."this woman's sick but probably just in diabetic coma or something.
I come into the room and I feel kinda creepy all over, but I do a quick assessment on this 80 year old woman, sitting there with a thousand yard tare.....a glaze over her eyes....she's really zoned out. Just rocking there in pain.
I try to ask medical questions...the usual, but the "pastor" says...Dr., "she has a spirit. A demon you know?" I'm kinda...yeah whatever, but something is really oppressive in my gut. I try a few more medical inquiry questions when the pastor says "Dr. lets pray for her." I lay hands with this man on her....she has been this way for months. Just sitting, staring, in severe pain.
We lay our hands and he prays a long, out loud prayer in his native tongue, but he is a Christian, so I hear "in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ" as few times. I'm getting rattled so I start praying, asking God to reach into this situation with authority and free this woman from whatever evil is inside her....And If I'm honest, I'm not even sure I believed in what I was doing because it was so foreign nto me. But the bible talks specifically about Christians having authority over things like this. Afetr ten minutes or so, she gets all shaky, then her eyes open up and she starts to cry, wringing her hands and hugging me. It was super emotional. She was all tears and smiles and thank you's and I was pretty rattled.
I asked our in country contact, another Christian Nepali man, what happened back there. He siad..."you do not know?" "God cast out the spirit when you prayed." "It is very common here. Good for you American Christrians to see the real power of God No?"
So that's one story High Fructose. I don't have any other way to explain that kind of thing. It stuck with me for sure.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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Chaz, your logic belies your beliefs.
Religious folks are not known to have sound logic...
Imaginary friends, yes. Logic, not so much.
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