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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
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You can only "teach" evolution, creationism requires preaching.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
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For many Christian churches evolution and faith are not in conflict.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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not the churches that i've tangled with, gene.
the time allotment for the truth vs. imagination
is in direct conflict.
the bible states an age of the earth
around 4000 years.
evolution laughs at 4000 years young.
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briham89
Trad climber
los gatos. ca
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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It's a science class, stick to science as Ed said earlier. Make sure they understand the definition of "theory" as being extremely researched and one step below a scientific law. I HATE when people say "oh evolution is just a theory"...thinking theory means something similar to a hypothesis.
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Branch
Trad climber
Alberta
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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Every time I go climbing I'm counting on someone to disprove that damn theory of gravity. So far no good.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
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Weeg,
the bible states an age of the earth around 4000 years.
John Lightfoot, a 17th Century Brit, pegged creation at just less than 4K years before the birth of Christ. The Bible does not offer an opinion on the time frame.
Many Christian denominations accept evolution subject to (1) God created the material universe, and (2) God gave man an eternal soul and all that that involves. {Not the same as the 'intelligent design' stuff.} YMMV
Back to the OP.
Teach evolution for what it is – a theory based on science.
g
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Feb 13, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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The Bible does not offer an opinion on the time frame.
This is incorrect. C'mon, Gene. Gotta get real, man.
The Christian Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. In the NT, too.
Do the numbers. Or better the generations. It's time to get real and stop fueling the traditional bs merry-go-round. Time to break free and recognize it for what it is. Myth that a majority in our culture still base their "practice" of living on. So be it, believer's choice, it's a free world - but that it interferes with our sociopolitics so much, drats.
re: John Ussher
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/the-man-who-dated-creation-at-oct-23-4004-bc/article1848674/
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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The Bible Belt - where evolution ain't happening...
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Gene
climber
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Feb 13, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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HFCS,
Show me the road map please. I'm not being combative or messing with you. I just have never seen a generation to generation ancestry with no gaps.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Feb 13, 2012 - 06:16pm PT
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Luke, Chapter 2 I think. (This is ten-year memory though, but it's in there, somewhere.) Also it's in the OT.
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No, it's Luke 3: 21-37. MY NIV calls it the "Genealogy of Jesus." Can't get any more plain than that. ;)
But of course let's take into account in our thinking the spinmeisters of the world. A biblical "day" is a billion years? lol
Thx for the inspiration to look it up again.
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re: myth, spinmeisters,
Reminds me of a Star Trek Voyager episode I watched recently that addressed this sort of thing and drew parallels with the Christian mythology and its development. It was "Prophecy" - check it out - I thought it was esp imaginative, insightful and thought provoking - only wish I had seen more shows like this 40 years ago when I was a kid.
I mean, if this is your sort of thing, basing your life or your practice of living on an ancient mythology (one of a very many) characterized by larger than life supernatural elements, go with it. But it certainly isn't mine, esp when I was younger and deeply impassioned for nature investigation (how the world works and how life works) and science as a tool for its exploration.
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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Feb 13, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
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http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21PbAr/Apl/FlewTheist.htm
http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/
Antony Flew was considered a leading Apologetic voice in defense of Atheism, and by extension evolution, for over 50 years. A few years before he died in 2010, he experienced a “conversion” (of sorts) and came to accept the idea and premise of design with implied intelligence. The above will lead you to some “food for thought”. Of interest to me is that Professor Flew consistently operated with intellectual honestly and never attempted to intimidate and shout over differing views and opinions. Professor Flew understood true discussion is based upon reciprocity and respect.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 13, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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The Bible does not offer an opinion on the time frame. This is incorrect. C'mon, Gene. Gotta get real, man.
The Christian Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. In the NT, too. There are two genealogies of Jesus in the New Testament.
Matthew goes bottom up in his posts:
Matthew 1:1-17
1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:
Snip
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Luke goes top down.
Luke 3:23-38
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
Two accounts in which the number of common ancestors is exceeded by the number of other dudes.
I wouldn’t set my Earth Calendar by that stuff. 'Son' might be better translated by 'of the clan of..'
Points are, (1) Christian faith and evolution are not incompatible up to the points I mentioned in a previous post and (2) the Bible does not state the date of creation.
Furthermore 4K years of geneology is proud for any culture's oral history. Take it for what it is. No more, no less.
Submitted as an observer for your review, not as an advocate for any point of view.
Teach evolution as science.
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skywalker
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2012 - 07:23pm PT
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Great stuff everyone! Uhm... I will just stick to the science and try not to run over anyone. Why is this so touchy???
Thanks!
S...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 13, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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The Christain faith and evolution may not be incompatible, but as a young Catholic my introduction to rational and scientific explanations of the natural world slowly and irreversibly made Christianity (or any other religion) incompatible with me.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Feb 13, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
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Nah!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 13, 2012 - 07:50pm PT
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Why is this so touchy???
evolution provides an explanation of the origin of humans by physical means only
this is obviously touchy to religions
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Gene
climber
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Feb 13, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
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Just teach the Evolution Traverse and ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.
Run like hell and you'll be fine.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Feb 13, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
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+1 for what Ed said. No need to bend, couch things in wishy-washy phrasing, or apologize. It's a science class.
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution."
Theodosius Dobzhansky
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Feb 13, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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Skywalker,
I don't really want to get drawn into the debate, and neither do you. From a purely practical perspective, best check your district's board policy and approved curriculum before developing your lesson plans.
Principal Cracko
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