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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:29am PT
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jThe climbing world I grew up in knew no boundaries, made few judgements, and sure as hell did not judge it's own. We were ALL a bunch of twisted, outcast freaks, searching for a home.
Bullsh#t, bvb
Apppies gave the Vulgarians their name out of judgement, and the Vulgarians judged the Appies too tame. Ropes got sjit on and the saga went on for decades!
It was NOT that PCT was being judged as being a too wild for tight-assed puritanical folks. It was that she posted for booty, then denied that was the fact, then said she really wanted climbing but booty was good as a side dish, byt then only if the said nooty was THE most wonderful booty to ever have been born, but then with the caveat that there was probabaly less than 1% of possible booties she would consider banging(waaaaaay less than 1%).
She flaunted her baddassedness as a mountaineer(or day hiker, as she dubbed it, which is usually a term someone uses as sandbaggery, and was called out on it. She said she wanted adventure that, for some people, would involve a fair risk level, and put it out there that she was up to par for it. Caveat Emptor, of course, but it is people like that that get involved in epics.
BVB, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from sending that person a PM and taking it from there. If you have not - why IS that? You're available, as I understand.
How many of you huys HAVE PM'd her?(rhetorical question). If you wanted to go for some sort of relationship with her - do it! Climbing, or whatever. But if all it was, was that you wanted titty pictures and to egg her on about what a hot ass she had, her fine masters degree, and how unbridled her will was - you got what you paid for. If she hasn't gotten at least a dozen offers for a meeting - then what does that say????? How many new potential partners does one need to meet? Esoecially when they are purported to very soon be leaving the states for half a year(which was where she seemed to be wanting partners for, California, more specifically).
There's nothing fro stopping that person from being part of this community, just as much - MUCH - worse hasn't stopped Lois. Nor Fattrad, nor half a dozen others who don;t seem to be interested in being a PART of the ST community, but want to be the center ring attraction.
I read every post on that thread, mind you. Many did. Had it been just a bunch of "Oh, interesting!" and "More titpic, please" - it would have been a much more offensive thread, to most people here. The ones who applauded that *breath of fresh air* are few, and you're certainly entitled to like that sort of thing. But as such, others are entitled to their opinions as well.
It was what it was - and though I felt it was interesting, in an unhealthy way, it was an organic thread. Wasted a good amount of my time reading it, and don't feel bad about that. We were talking about film and theatre here at the Pit last night. The thread was an internet Vaudville act.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:29am PT
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i'm only disappointed that Happie didn't think i was worthy of being listed as a climbing partner.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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Zip - I just jotted a few that quickly came to mind. Originally I was going to make an exhaustive list, which would have been a LOT of guys, but then I realized kit would take too long, the point would not be better made, and I would surely forget someone anyway!
You are worthy! I still recall the fun of following you up Bat Crack, and thinking "Frigging sideways chimney? WTF!?" hahaha
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:35am PT
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ok, my fondest memory is the peanut butter and honey sandwiches.
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Tahoe climber
climber
Davis these days
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:36am PT
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+1 BVB
And now i'm going climbing, asshats
:)
TC
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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Dec 19, 2011 - 12:37pm PT
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That's a good essay I hate Plastic. I saved it for my kids to read one day.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Dec 19, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
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bvb is butt hurt because commie started to get the hots for him.......
BWA HA HA hahahaa!! Kidding bro.
Outsiders and weirdos? Yes.
Accepting of all? sort of.....
Not judging or hating on "others'? never.
Ever heard of Robbins/Harding?
How about Henry Barber stealing "our" routes?
Maybe a little WOS thrown in on the side?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2011 - 02:33pm PT
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Roxjok... Whoops! I thought I wrote that! Oh well, I was simply attempting to be au courant.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 19, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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I think many of you missed the point of my post. There was a time, long ago, when the level of tolerance for oddballs and freakshows and colorful characters was substantial. Anyone who hung in the Valley or Josh in the 70's knows what I'm talking about. How do you think the wild group of characters that populated the scene back then would be tolerated in today's toned-down climate?
Maybe you had to be there.
I thought that thread was entertaining, fun, and classic. Others viewed it as an opportunity to spill bile and feel superior. In retrospect it also served as a Rorschach test of sorts for those posting to it. I was amazed at the level of hostility and venom that surfaced.
Oh well. I guess you really can't go home again.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Dec 19, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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That doesn't mean you can stop being weird.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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I have a high tolerance for freak shows...
Add your own caption! It's fun!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:15pm PT
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There was a time, long ago, when the level of tolerance for oddballs and freakshows and colorful characters was substantial. Anyone who hung in the Valley or Josh in the 70's knows what I'm talking about.
Amen! Freaks keeps things from getting dull
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:17pm PT
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Add your own caption! It's fun!
Wax on, whacks off.
OR
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...
A lot of it caught in the drain traps.
OR
PTC, Leggs and Happiegirl, nice to see you ladies getting along.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:30pm PT
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I remember when Patagonia offered major ducats for Special K's drip-painted tent. A brilliant work of art. He used to sit in that tent and talk to himself for hours.
Betcha the gumbie wannabe climbers of these days, with maybe 5 years of climbing under their belts, woulda called the rangers. I remember Cilley took him under his wing and kept tabs on him. Cilley's got a rep he enjoys maintaining, but fact is he has the soul of mother theresa.
And then there was the chongo compound...
Bisshes got NOT CLUE.
Long live PTC.
You n00bs who think you got it dialed 'cause you started "climbing" a few years back? You missed the boat by about 35 years.
Enjoy your fantasy.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:33pm PT
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You missed the boat by about 35 years.
And it's been an up hill swim since then.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:39pm PT
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If you ain't got gray in your pubes, you ain't got sh!t.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 19, 2011 - 03:42pm PT
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uUh Oh, bvb is throwing down the n00b challenge.
bvb, I was there in 1973.
The evil one
Hell Fatty, I know that. You've been around the block, and then some. For a fat, conservative, nice-guy-pretending-to-be-core, that is.
If we were n00bs starting to climb just today, ya think anyone would put up with us? I mean, wtf is a "Belay Test??" I never dropped a partner -- ever -- but I sure as sh#t got banged up making the catch. Third degree burns, concussions, the works. Doubt I could pass a gym test belay inquisition, though. I hate gri-gris. Gimme a hip belay or a stitch plate anytime!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 19, 2011 - 04:08pm PT
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PTC, Leggs and Happiegirl, nice to see you ladies getting along.
Yes, I understand Philo. You much would have preferred we keep our traps shut so you could have continued the display. Did she ever email you, after all those "pick me" posts?(rhetorical question)
As for being a freak? Not. Even. Close.
If the posting in that thread was representative of the the freakiness BITD of wildness - yawwwwwn.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 19, 2011 - 05:17pm PT
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I hope she comes back and posts more obscene crap. Agree with it or not but, it is rare for a thread to have over a 1000posts. Of course easier with a clown in it, but still...
Forums need 'interesting' characters.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 19, 2011 - 05:25pm PT
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Point is, Happi, if PTC had wandered into Hidden Valley Campground in 1972, a complete unknown, she would not merited quite the tsunami of disdain and H8 that the incognito intertards have dumped on her.
My guess is because in real life, in the flesh, in the completely fringe society of yore -- remember, there were so few of us back then you could roll into HVC at 11pm on a Friday night and get a site -- we were all bozos on the bus, and we knew it, and took pride in it, and in particular the weirder the crew was, the better. My guess is PTC would have fit right in. Oh, the interpersonal slander flowed freely for sure, but the tone was absent of today's ugliness.
The real question is this: why, oh why, is this routine interweb character so vilified? I think she's a hoot -- that is, what she presents herself as on the internet, anyway. There are quite a few folks here who seem to feel they are better human beings simply because this woman exists. Why is that, I wonder? Is Bile the new Coke?
Who would you rather deal with on the taco: LEB or PTC? LEB is loathesomely tiring. PTC is random, unpredictable, batshit crazy, and wildly entertaining.
Oh...and she actually climbs. Imagine that.
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