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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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Mar 21, 2006 - 04:55pm PT
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AA is NOT worthless. That opinion is maybe of a lesser value...the only problem with that hand is that one doesn't get it often enough....a well known sort of problem..ha
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 21, 2006 - 04:59pm PT
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Worthless, no. Against tight agressive it's a very good hand. Obviously with only two cards it cannot lose. Pockets play poorly against a lot of people. They are very devalued and if they do not improve considerably don't expect much out of them. Online i've been sitting at a table where no hands seems to win. I once almost folded rockets preflop. They lost.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Same place as you, man...... (WB)
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:19pm PT
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Analyze this hand please....
With magic like this I wonder why I even bother to sew at all......
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Claude
climber
where I'll end up
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:19pm PT
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Let's put our money where our mouths are. let's schedule a tourney for climber's only. I would love to tak the pennies that you guys have. we could have whopping purse. that'd be fun. do some cragging that morning and afternoon and ramp up for the games that evening. Strictly Hold 'em, no limit. Yes? lets do it.
whaddya say?
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:22pm PT
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Russ has your chance coming up. Email him to see if you are invited. THE FISH INVITATIONAL!
There's your chance to take some "pennies". I'm not playing real money NL though. One mistake and it hurts too much (and I promise I'll make one).
runner runner nut flush. Been there, done that. AJs delivers. Oooops... the flush isn't dah nuts. 36o deserved to lose. A6s got sucked out. Too bad. NH. Neither of those losing hands should have gone to showdown. The 36o got lucky to hit trips but still... flush on the board and all... A6s hit's his rocket with a crap kicker. Should have mucked that nizzle.
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Claude
climber
where I'll end up
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:22pm PT
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jeez with play like that, nevermind the tourney. that's ridiculous.
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euro-brief-guy
climber
mountain view, ca
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:27pm PT
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Damn Mussy, that pot's good for at least a washing machine.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Same place as you, man...... (WB)
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:34pm PT
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3, 6 off and Ace rag suited gets expensive when any part of it hits.
Winner winner, chicken dinner!
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:39pm PT
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36o should only be expensive to players that suck. he hits mid pair and hangs around? Bless his calling soul.
You need a better hand to call with than to raise with.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Same place as you, man...... (WB)
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:43pm PT
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I bet that 3,6os guy was super giddy when the river 3 hit... I can visualize him sitting there in his underwear, perhaps grabbing at his genitals and saying "look at you now Mussy!!! I OWN you!!!! I'm taking you DOWN!!!!!!!!!"
And then it all hits him at once, and the woody is gone, the cat gets kicked, and the profanity unleashes from his gob.
SWEEEEEEEET! Kick ASSSSSSSS™™™™™™™
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:46pm PT
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BTW... reverse tells and all those things will work. I don't tilt though. I just need to reverse my reversed tells.
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 21, 2006 - 05:55pm PT
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36 and A6 should have folded preflop in their position.
If A6 were the button or one off and everybody folds to them, then sure bet it up and take the blinds, but Fish raises and A6 can't stand a raise... 36 sure can't stand a raise either.
One thing that I've seen many folks have a problem with is preflop strategy... ESPECIALLY in tournaments.
As for AA...
You can either win a little or lose alot. Rarely does AA win a huge pot unless it improves. You've absolutely got to shut down action on a flop that can make a flush or a straight.
A recent hand where I had AA and managed to lose as little as possible.
Board comes K 8 5 rainbow, I bet - she calls.
Turn is rag... I bet - she tentatively calls.
River is K. I check - she is turns up K9... which was patently a bad play... but I see it happen over and over.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Same place as you, man...... (WB)
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Mar 21, 2006 - 06:00pm PT
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Here are some dudes trying to bust my AA.... whaddya think??
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 21, 2006 - 06:12pm PT
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now that's just EZ $...
send those calling stations my way.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 21, 2006 - 06:16pm PT
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calling stations. bless their souls.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2006 - 06:30pm PT
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OF course AA is the best hand in No Limit Holdem-- IF you bet it right, and can run out all but one or two players.
But then, if you don't protect A A, it may begin suck.
It will almost always suck ageaint 5 others who see the flop turn and river.
Nature, I wonder just how much did you bet when that caller called you? Was it limit or no limit?
IF you made a minimum bet after the flop, shame on you.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 21, 2006 - 06:38pm PT
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limit. raise/reraise but nobody folds in loose passive micro games you have to play them very differently. The advanced hold'em books treats this subject really well.
In NL I make sure they pay dearly to see the flop. I'd fold AA before I'd limp with them in NL.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2006 - 06:49pm PT
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OOPs, it was poop I meant to say that to, LOL.
Yeah, in limit, AA is not as great cause EVERYONE and their brother will stay for the flop.
With 5 in a hand the flop will surely help someone.
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 21, 2006 - 07:16pm PT
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hey dirt - I bet enough to represent that she was beat. Had she been even a half assed player, she would have recognized she was either out kicked, or up against a monster.
Even though I blew the pot odds, I was saving the big bet for the river, but I knew she had that K from the flop... so the river killed all action. I've seen that play out that way so many times that it stops being shocking or annoying. just expected.
At the no-limit cash games at Bay Area card rooms, there are almost always sharks who play very smart and make a living. If you're up at Lucky Chances more than a few times, you'll see the same dudes making money off the fish.
I did okay there, probably came up in the + after a bunch of tournaments and cash games. But I truly enjoy playing w/ people I know... it's much more friendly and social.
Cardrooms tend to have people who aren't exactly looking to make friends... and after their stuck for a few hundred they start verbally attacking each other and getting stupid.
My problem is I probably enjoy cash games too much.
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all in jim
climber
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Mar 21, 2006 - 07:39pm PT
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Off topic?
Which gives you a bigger adreniline rush, poker or climbing?
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