Who is the Leader of Supertopo?

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Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Nov 30, 2011 - 11:26am PT

Absolutely and without a doubt............

No ONE.

Chris Mac - owner and creator

Everyone else....... just here for the ride.

If St had a leader , you would have to deal with his/her people=moderators

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Nov 30, 2011 - 11:59am PT

it's not that kind of society... STForum....

it's more an addiction:

"This study explored the influence that personal relations and communications within Internet chat rooms has on a user's Internet Predisposition - a concept developed to refer to what psychologists have vicariously termed as Internet addiction. Two measures of Internet Predisposition were utilized: a quantitative measurement based upon time spent in chat rooms and the Internet, and a four item Internet Predisposition Scale (IPS) developed by the authors. Results of the study indicate that the IPS is significantly correlated with certain personal relations and communication variables. It further revealed stronger correlation between these factors and the IPS in comparison to the quantitative measurement of Internet addiction. The study also examined the moderator influence of gender, locus of control, and sociability on the relationship between Internet addiction and chat room personal relationships and communications. Gender was shown to have the strongest moderator influence upon these relationships."

are we "Hight Internet Predisposition" (HIP) characters?

"A very important finding is that HIP individuals reported that they utilized chat rooms to have someone to listen to them at a much higher percentage than LIP persons. This suggests that the two populations have somewhat different communication objectives. Being listened to is a very important objective among Homo sapiens and is perhaps the most critical communication factors among the others communication factors. Listening helps the individual to gain insights into their personal problems and can be instrumental to self-growth and development (Rogers, 1959). According to the results of this study, HIP individuals appear to have a higher need to be listened to within a chat room environment than LIP persons. Listening is a social process, and the data suggests that it is this social activity that in part, that could be contributing to the so-called Internet addiction phenomena."

http://www.sociology.org/content/vol005.003/ia.html

In other words, we want to talk, and have others listen...

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Nov 30, 2011 - 12:15pm PT

Eh? What are you talking about?
This is a "CLIMBER"S" site.
Wouldn't the word "LEADER" refer to LEADING meaning we were actually GOING somewhere?

OCCUPY ANARCHY

I agree with the "smartest man in climbing".
Thanks for the good post Ed.

FRUMY

Trad climber

SHERMAN OAKS,CA

Nov 30, 2011 - 12:25pm PT

+ one for Weld_it.
It takes a real man to be the leader of a herd of cats.

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Nov 30, 2011 - 12:29pm PT

I think CMAC wanted an unregimented, egalitarian forum for the climbing community. As such, a "leader" isn't really required.

No one is "calling the shots" or"ruling the roost"...some light the way with excellent social skills, ie: Crimpie, Anders etc... they influence the group without domineering or commanding.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Nov 30, 2011 - 12:41pm PT

Looking at it another way, a true leader attracts followers, who willingly choose to follow him or her. Most leadership is by example.

Being climbers, we naturally all fancy ourselves as great leaders, but being a good follower is not to be sneezed at.

apogee

climber

Nov 30, 2011 - 12:44pm PT

You're right, Jennie, but there still remains the persistent tendency for individuals to try and create social hierarchies here at ST. Go figure.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Nov 30, 2011 - 12:45pm PT

Yes, Crimpie just exudes leadership. With or without parrots.

mike m

Trad climber

black hills

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2011 - 12:54pm PT

Supertopo: Leaderless or Leaderful. Is there actually a difference.

The reason I posted this is that I was watching Charlie Rose last night and some guy was talking about the Occupy movement. He got into talking aobut how it is a leaderless movement and that is why it is so powerful when combined witht the new media. It struck a cord on how the taco seems to be for me. In its leaderlessness or leaderfulness(seems more appropriate for a climbing forum) is where it finds its power. This guy talked about how a 22 year old nanny had started the movement to stop BOA from instituting $5 billion worth of fees and how it is so hard for dictators to remain in control in the middle east these days and it is all about information and the speed at which we can now communicate.

Kind of like hearding cats I read above, but I would submit that it is more like hearding lions.

tolman_paul

Trad climber

Anchorage, AK

Nov 30, 2011 - 01:07pm PT

A large leaderless entity is good at grinding things to a hault. But if that energy is to be truly harnessed, it has to be focussed, and that requires a leader.

Just look at the taco. It's an amazing association of intelligent pationate people. If the time and energy we all spend here was some how focussed we could achieve some truly amazing things. Yet our energy is used to entertain, educate, and provoke one another.

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Nov 30, 2011 - 01:14pm PT

OCCUPIED

mike m

Trad climber

black hills

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2011 - 01:16pm PT

Jaybro? I think he was voted best climber with 20,000 posts a while back.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Where are you bound?

Nov 30, 2011 - 01:18pm PT

If it's your lead, then you're the leader. Now get up there.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Nov 30, 2011 - 01:18pm PT

Ozymandias.

I MET a Traveler from an antique land,
Who said, "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is OZYMANDIAS, King of Kings."
Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair!
No thing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that Colossal Wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Percy Bysshe Shelley (1818)

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Nov 30, 2011 - 01:24pm PT

To add to Eds comments from the research article:

"If Internet addiction is similar to other addictions such as gambling and alcoholism one would expect that it would be significantly and negatively correlated with variables that measure aspects of self esteem such as Locus of Control. That is, the higher the addiction, the lower the self esteem. Since locus of control is a surrogate measurement of self-esteem and confidence, it is expected that there would be a high correlation between IP and LOC. However, none of the addiction measurements are significantly associated with locus of control. Instead, significant correlations appear between the IP factor and social factors, giving additional support to the idea that much of what has been labeled Internet Addiction might not be, in fact, an addiction. This is not to say that true Internet addiction does not exist, only that it may not take the form of other, more “traditional” addictions, and it may be hasty to apply current addiction doctrine to a new form of social communication."

So probably not an addiction in the usual sense of the word.

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Nov 30, 2011 - 01:30pm PT

If Fattard is going to be "King of Dicks", he should be made to wear the outfit:

And change his name to Larno

jstan

climber

Nov 30, 2011 - 02:30pm PT

You're right, Jennie, but there still remains the persistent tendency for individuals to try and create social hierarchies here at ST. Go figure.

Something I picked up on NPR.

Experimenters formed two groups of a primate specie letting one group mature as isolated individuals while the others grew up in a large group. MRI studies of brain function later showed that two groups had brains that were wired differently. One who matures while in contact with many others develops skills for managing that environment and solving problems in it.

I have seen day care centers holding 60 unsupervised screaming kids. Without a doubt that teaches one to deal with such things. But at what psychiatric cost?

Hearing is certainly compromised.