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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 13, 2011 - 01:46pm PT
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^^^^^^^
+1 for PhylP. Learning about the issues, and putting in your two cents, may not make a lot (or any) visible difference, but it's part of how democracy works. GWTP!
cf: It is existential that folks comment on this plan and any Yosemite Plan such as the Tenaya Lake Plan.
Essential, too.
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Archie Richardson
Trad climber
Grand Junction, CO
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Nov 14, 2011 - 10:08am PT
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describe what they feel Yosemite Valley should be in the future
If cost is no object.
Restore the Valley to pristine condition. All essential access and support facilities placed in underground tunnels.
If there is no budget.
It's still a special place worth visiting.
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Nov 14, 2011 - 10:09am PT
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Makes more sense to empty Hetch Hetchy, tear down the dam and make that a wilderness area.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nov 14, 2011 - 10:10am PT
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Have you ever been to Disneyland? I don't think anyone who appreciates the place would appreciate you using in a derogatory way. It's the happiest place on earth.
Plus, it's an absurd comparison since they won't be installing motorized rides with cartoon characters in the valley anytime soon. Maybe compare the plan to Walmart or something truly evil.
Dave
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Nov 14, 2011 - 10:54am PT
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I have always pledged to invest a ton of my time to keeping El Cap Meadow open to all and free of development, should the time come. So, I will make good on that.
One of my ideas is I would love to look at a series of pictures to see the "damage" to El Cap meadow that is talked about during the meetings. My friend George Whitmore has been attending all these meetings and I told him this is my one biggest concern and he has been warning me that the complaints have been steadily growing. During my own time of climbing El Cap, spending days staring at the meadow, I have noticed that it is vibrant and strong, social trails not really enlarging or taking away from the great beauty. My time is only about 10 years - from 2001 to 2011. I have tons of pictures of the meadow from the greatest possible view, but I need more so that we can cover a large period of time.
So, if you have some, and want to help, please e-mail me through Supertopo and I'll respond with an email you can send them too.
Just my opinion: It means a lot to me that when I am on El Cap I cannot see any "structures" or "improvements" other than: 1) roads, 2) Wawona Tunnel. I see, from the side of El Cap, no bathrooms, fences, parking lots, boardwalks. I am willing to attend all the meetings, encourage and help other people write comments and collect evidence if it is available that the meadow is healthy and vibrant under its current use, as well as the current use of the meadow being a meaningful, sometimes life changing experience and many visitors favorite thing they did in the park (based on my time manning the "Ask a Climber" program at the El Cap Bridge-can't tell you how many people told me that).
Holly
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 14, 2011 - 11:00am PT
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The Valley is arguably the most scenic seven square miles in America. It should be brought back, as close as possibly, to the way it looked before development. The hike in from El Portal would make viewing it's scenic splendor that much more rewarding.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Nov 14, 2011 - 11:39am PT
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turn nevada and vernal falls into hydroelectric and use it to power a monorail.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 14, 2011 - 11:55am PT
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Give it back to the Miwok along with reparations.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Nov 14, 2011 - 12:36pm PT
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Have you ever been to Disneyland? I don't think anyone who appreciates the place would appreciate you using in a derogatory way. It's the happiest place on earth.
Plus, it's an absurd comparison since they won't be installing motorized rides with cartoon characters in the valley anytime soon. Maybe compare the plan to Walmart or something truly evil.
Dave
No, but....
There was an ice skating rink...
Golf course...
Whey did they remove the old Yosemite Lodge common area, with it's nice big fireplace and all the "free" places to sit on a cold winter's eve, and replace it with a gift shop where most of the crap is made in China?
Although the 1980 General Managment Plan called for moving parking outside of the Valley, what did the park service do? They took a bulldozer and razed several acres of forest for more parking.
The Valley is the post child of how NOT to run a national park.
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Panacea82
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Nov 14, 2011 - 01:40pm PT
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This may be a little off topic but in my opinion one thing that would improve Yosemite is to rid the park of corporate interest. What if the Yosemite Conservancy were the ones that ran the parks concessions providing all profits (that are in the 100's of millions) back into the park. Just an idea.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Nov 14, 2011 - 01:51pm PT
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This may be a little off topic but in my opinion one thing that would improve Yosemite is to rid the park of corporate interest. What if the Yosemite Conservancy were the ones that ran the parks concessions providing all profits (that are in the 100's of millions) back into the park. Just an idea.
They did something similar in the past, all that did was encourage corporate development and commercial enterprises to make more money.
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Nov 14, 2011 - 03:38pm PT
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I agree with Holly, I have looked at the ElCap Meadow for over 40 years and it continues to thrive. Just because there are a few trails across a meadow, used for a few months of the year, doesn't mean it is being ruined. I think those with the idea that all meadows and areas off the road should be posted as "ground under restoration" (off limits to humans)are missing something. Most of the meadows are just old pastures loaded with non-indigenous grasses and will never be returned to the way they were 200 years ago. The so called "social trails" are also used by the local animals to get around. I think that "board walks" have much more visual impact and "take away" far more land than social trails. The one board walk, going west from the parking lot north of Sentinel Bridge, was a good addition, as it goes across very boggy ground that gets submerged in spring, and is well used. IMHO the other one, going north from the parking lot is just a fancy, unnecessary, convenience trail to shave 5 minutes off walking to the Village.
I have also noticed several relatively large areas in the EC meadow that appear to have been trampled down and I figured they were areas where deer slept... upon closer investigation I saw that they are the places the YI's meet every day to sit and discuss the wonders of nature! The meadows are fine and are wonderful places to go and spend some quality time.
I notice also, that hundreds of smaller trees are being cut down, in Cook's Meadow, so as to preserve the meadow size.... how natural is that? It all seems a rather arbitrary way to do things ... Solutions? Old wisdom says..."If it ain't broke then don't fix it!"
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Nov 14, 2011 - 10:57pm PT
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Fire all the cops!
Build an In & Out Burger
Free car camping
Nightclub
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