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climberweenie
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:43pm PT
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Two feature requests:
1) Have a cookie setting for dial-up users so that pictures embedded in threads don't download by default. Replace them with a link to the picture in case the viewer wants to see them. I personally don't give a sh!t because I have 3Mbps at home at 1Gbps at work.
2) Improve the search tool. Seems like it doesn't find a match or returns less relevant results when I try to use it. I don't bother with it any more.
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Elcapinyoazz
Mountain climber
Anchorage, Alaska
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:44pm PT
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Karl the Babbler claims that the 'Taco is "the best climbing forum". Hogwash. While I do enjoy the Taco, it's hardly the "best", whatever that means.
Chris, having been involved with and/or moderated internet newsgroup, boards, etc on a wide wide array of topics let me say this:
You do not want to reduce the amount of posts. If only strictly topical, climbing related threads were posted here, the volume would drop off so much that people would stop being "regular" users of the 'Taco. The no-brainer is obviously to add categories...except you don't want to do that because it would take some actual work or programming or something...so instead you plead for more climbing related stuff.
The bottom line is, nobody forces anyone else to click on a topic, much less to read it. By limiting content, you take away a major reason that your "regulars" hang around...and without the regulars, you just have a website with some beta on Yos. I've seen car discussion sites, financial sites, photo sites all go through the same development/growing pains. None of them were better served by limiting volume of posts or discouraging playful banter.
It's your site, do what you want. But after a dozen years of participating in and managing this kind of thing, I'd just split the forum into a few categories and you get the best of both worlds. You've been offered the best solution many times, but you don't want to undertake it. So you've painted yourself into a bit of a corner lad.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 13, 2006 - 12:47pm PT
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Oh, and the single most time-wasting activity on ST is scrolling to the bottom of every forum page served up. I'd much prefer to see the sort reversed to deliever them up most recent first.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:03pm PT
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I say we off all the whiners, common out of the wood works whiners, show your selves.
Whine, whine, bitch, bitch, instead when the so called climbing topics are slow or non-existent, all they do is whine and bitch instead of start an interesting topic that will draw people in.
It takes a good skillful person to not only start a good climbing thread but also to keep it going.
The same whiners will be there in the real world, left behind crying alligators while everyone else is blasting off into orbit.
So whiners, start a climbing thread! Quit whining!
My life and times on the rock, I did this and I did that. What is the best way to scale this climb? Did you find it as hard or easy as I? Why does Royal Arches not have a coke machine installed half way up in the busy summer season?
My big toe does not fit in my 2 sizes small extreme sport shoe, what shall I do? Which quick draw do you prefer? Are bent gates better than straight gates? Why did my screamer rip? What thread does the manufacture use to bar tack the screamer? Is the bar tack needle cooled by compressed air to keep the thread from melting?
Hahahaha ………………Ho Man!
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426
Sport climber
Something's Always Wrong, FF, TN
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:04pm PT
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3-...2-....1...
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:05pm PT
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Sometimes the Supertopo forum scares me - like the time those hijackers tried to take over the plane I was on. Most of the time it soothes me though. I like it when 'climbers' don't talk about 'climbing'. cheers, jb
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:05pm PT
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Not a bad idea to increase the length of the page to include more post.
Come on ElCAp, List the best site for us so we can check it out
Peace
Karl
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:06pm PT
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Hahahaha ............ way to go John ....
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:11pm PT
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Chris has really developed some good trolling skills.
Juanito
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:18pm PT
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Why does Royal Arches not have a coke machine installed half way up in the busy summer season?
you know, this is actually a pretty good question. someone could make a killing selling sodas...plus they could stock the sucker with OE800 and clean up at 5 bucks a can....
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:34pm PT
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Having just posted a remark on how to solve a differential equation, I plead guilty to subject pollution and promise to refrain from such posts in the future.
But this may not be nearly enough, because now I read
"Boo Hoo! Everything isn't just the way we want it! Call it democracy. The forum rocks!
Except if you want to talk about knots and belay devices..."
So apparently climbing---or certain aspects thereof---is itself too broad a topic for this forum, even though all manner of non-climbing material would still be acceptable.
If I were going to make a political comment, I might have said that the version of democracy on display in this quote is in perfect harmony with the "democracy" our administration has recently been promoting at home and attempting to export abroad. But making such a comment would be to beyond the bounds of appropriate discourse for this site so of course I wouldn't say anything of the kind.
Chris, you've got a tiger by the tail. Good luck.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 01:42pm PT
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I love the forum as it is, I'm constantly amazed by the breadth of perspectives. If you've got a climbing (or any other) topic that isn't getting the attention you want, just bump it every now and then.
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:08pm PT
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Chris,
Don't change a thing. This is the best forum out there and it would lose a lot of its charm if it was split into two forums. The political rants can be light relief between reading one of Dr Piton's essays on tagging a rack etc.
I'm a volunteer administrator for a climbing website, mountainproject (http://www.mountainproject.com/); that was climbingboulder beforehand and we would love to have the sort of ongoing discussions you have over here with the likes of werner, John Long, Bacher etc. This forum is so good, that I often post links in the news section on mp.com to let people know about forum discussions like the alien recall, the stonemasters etc.
So, don't change a thing, keep it the way it is and remember that the you can't please all the people all the time!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:08pm PT
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Chris,
What you suggest will NEVER happen until such time as you divide the forum into climbing stuff and non-climbing stuff. It will continue to be the clusterf:ck it is now - precious few really good climbing posts and a bunch of other crap.
What's the ratio of non-climbing stuff to climbing stuff? 5 to 1? 10 to 1? It isn't even a climbing forum any more!
I repeat my offer - I will help you move posts into the two forums if you want. What do you have to lose? It will accomplish what you want.
Unless you want to keep providing a free service for non-climbing stuff.
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:13pm PT
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As posted on an earlier thread,
Chris built this virtual deli. Most people come sit at the tables, get drunk, chat, argue, and occasionally buy one of his sandwiches.
Some people come to the deli just for the world-famous sandwiches, but they get really peeved that so many tables are filled with people that yak endlessly about things other than sandwiches. Even though there is an endless supply of tables, even though they don't have to sit and listen to the others, and even though they are free to talk about sandwiches as much as they want--with only the occasional and minor interruption--to them it just doesn't seem right. They say things like, "how dare they, this place is about sandwiches, dammit!" and "this is a travesty, there oughta be a law". They desperately desire that the guy at the other table, who used to be a master sandwich maker, would confide in them all the mysterious sandwich making arcana they so desperately crave, but alas it is not to be, he only speaks of fishsticks, fudgesickles and the Atkin's diet.
Meanwhile, Chris who says things like, "I just want to give back to the sanwich eatin' comminunitty, because ya know, gee whiz, aw shucks, sanwich eatin' has given so much to me," is out as much as possible eating, eating, eating the sandwiches of the world, research he calls it, while at the same time buying property like crazy in the red hot Tahoe market, when of a sudden he gets a call from the deli manager. It turns out the suggestion box has had a few impassioned complaints about people who wilfully refuse to talk about sandwiches.
Chris must make an appearance, because these are the dorks who buy three sandwiches: one to eat now, one to eat later, and one to be kept cryogenically frozen at home and displayed with reverence to all who visit.
But Chris must proceed carefully if he is to continue his research and maintain his portentous property portfolio; on the one hand he must calm the minority dweebs, but on the other hand he cannot be too vociferous lest he drive off the masses that, while definitely less sandwichcentric, actually do buy more sandwiches, all tolled, than their bumbly brethren.
As usual Chris manages, with his endearing Richie Cunninghamesque charm to bring peace to the deli, and one and all proclaim that C-Mac is our "Sandwich Hero".
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:24pm PT
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I say leave it just the way it is.
This forum didn't end up being the best––bar fuçking none––because of administration,
or some carefully conceived plan. It just happened––it took on a life of its own.
It appears that the opinion of most that it ain't broke.
And if it ain't broke, don't fix it!!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Same place as you, man...... (WB)
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:32pm PT
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That's right Azzzz™™™ Between our PodCasts™™™ SpayZone Forum™™™™ , PinkoChat™™™ and unmoderated GynoOnly™™™ forums we knock this place dead. I can hardly believe anyone comes here anymore. Must be for the nostalgia and to see snapshots of really old beat guys that used to pull pretty hard.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:42pm PT
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I agree with reversing the order so newer posts appear at the top.
I also agree that bumping climbing threads is a good way to go.
I hardly even visit the forums I use to a lot, such as the Irish Times news and sports forums and the BBC forums, now it is mainly SuperTaco.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Mar 13, 2006 - 02:43pm PT
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PinkoChat™™™
hahaha
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