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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I can't keep it straight.
Is Barry in bed with the fat cats and Wall Street OR in bed with the middle class?
I know it's "Class Warfare" somehow, but can't remember which O'Reilly says he is on today.
yesterday Obama was against the "job creators" (the wealthy), yet today he promotes class warfare by being FOR Wallstreet.
WHICH IS IT?
Doesn't matter which way it is spun, as long as I can say I am against whichever way the wind is blowing.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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In the original Boston Tea Party, the tea that was destroyed belonged to a corporation: the East India Company.
A corporation that was protected and heavily subsidized by the British government.
Today's American "Tea Party" celebrates this event and have made it their representative symbol.
But today's "Tea Party" is on the side of government-supported corporations. They fight for the cause of the bankers and oil-companies - the modern-day equivalent of the East India Company.
The irony and ignorance is mind-boggling.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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The Repubs had the Presidency, the Senate AND the House from 2000-2006.
The economy went into RECESSION in 2007.
See the relationship?
FAIL
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Care to tell me what the evil bankers received beyond TARP???????
You can't possibly mean Fannie/Freddie, those were overseen by the Dem congress.
Why can't he mean Fannie/Freddie? The bankers still received it, no matter who gave it to them (and it was a doosey!)
How 'bout loose monetary policy?
How 'bout Gramm–Leach–Bliley?
How 'bout an SEC that was asleep at the wheel?
How 'bout zero regulations on derivatives trading?
How 'bout AAA ratings on mortgage-backed securities?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I couldn't figure out if it was the usual anarchist suspects, or just brainwashed commies. Looks like the latter;
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
Why can't he mean Fannie/Freddie? The bankers still received it, no matter who gave it to them (and it was a doosey!)
How 'bout loose monetary policy?
How 'bout Gramm–Leach–Bliley?
How 'bout an SEC that was asleep at the wheel?
How 'bout zero regulations on derivatives trading?
How 'bout AAA ratings on mortgage-backed securities?
Yep, but you missed a couple too. Oh, and you're wrong about the more modern Tea Party. Not necessarily pro-corporation at all, just anti-big gov't and spending.
I'll repost the commie-brats in action photos again;
http://zombietime.com/day_of_fail/
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Do you know what the acronym stands for?
T. E. A. : "Taxed Enough Already"
While I agree with that acronym, it was co-opted. That is NOT the genesis of the current movement.
It was a Rick Santelli meltdown on one of the business channels. People who could not afford houses, or more importantly, chose mot to dive into a sketchy housing were paying for people who made stupid/greedy decisions without thought of consequence. It was a movement againt bailing these mortgages out at the expense of more prudent, or smarter, house shoppers.
The housing market was totally over-valued and had to crash, especially with unqualified people buying houses they could not afford.
I put most of the blame on Fannie/Freddie.
Here's the Santelli rant;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k
From wiki;
He is also credited with being a catalyst in the early formation of the Tea Party movement via a statement he made on February 19, 2009
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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I know about the Santelli rant.
I've probably watched more CNBC than anybody here (not by choice, and BTW Maria Bartiromo has no f*#king clue what she's saying most of the time...)
But Santelli was complaining about bailing out consumers - individuals with mortgages, not Wall Street. He is Wall Street for cricksakes.
I actually agree with Santelli on the basic premise of his rant, but that's over and done.
But dude, you are being played. They know there are lots of guys like you out there that have disdain for "hippe/commies" and they totaly use it to dupe you. The Tea Party is not a grass roots organization - it is a phenomenom that has been carefully engineered by corporations and the political right.
They want you to vote for thier tax break. They might throw you a small bone in the form of lower taxes now but you'll pay for it ten times over when they take medicare away from your parents.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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You're wrong, Mangy. Maybe some of the Tea Party has been co-opted by poseurs like Dick Armey, but I talk to these people. They are middle-class WORKERS, not ditbags, who are fed up with expanding gov't, green bullshit that fails, and a gov't that thinks spending more money OF MINE is the key to fix shit!!!
And healthcare will be fine unless Obama continues to f*#k with it. I'm not worried, and my folks (baby-boomers) aren't worried. What worries them is Obama's plans for the future.
To say that I'm a chump for wanting less gov't spending and smaller gov't overhead cost is pretty disengenuous, and a f*#king lie. It's smart fiscal policy!
It's common sense.
I know about the Santelli rant.
I've probably watched more CNBC than anybody here (not by choice, and BTW Maria Bartiromo has no f*#king clue what she's saying most of the time...)
But Santelli was complaining about bailing out consumers - individuals with mortgages, not Wall Street. He is Wall Street for cricksakes.
I actually agree with Santelli on the basic premise of his rant, but that's over and done.
Well then you're formally disengenuous, or you're a liar. Which is it?
You claimed Tea Partiers were formed by a pro-corporatist sentiment. WTF?
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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A Common Sense True American Patriot has spoken. No others have common sense, or are true American patriots.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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To say that I'm a chump for wanting less gov't spending [...]
Spending on what exactly?
NPR?
Acorn?
Aren't you the guy that posts about how he gets a hard-on when he sees a $100 million dollar military plane?
Both NPR and Acorn got less funding than the cost of a single F-22. You know, that plane that the Air Force doesn't even want, but some folks wanted so badly to keep building?
Less government spending...right.
Obey your masters.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aren't you the guy that posts about how he gets a hard-on when he sees a $100 million dollar military plane?
Both got less funding than the cost of a single F-22. You know, that plane that the Air Force doesn't even want, but some folks wanted so badly to keep building?
What you fools don't understand that national defense is one of the few legit platforms of Federal Gov't responsibility. And yeah, we should stay ahead of the curve there.
As for PRIVATE spending, that is left to the free-market system. And yeah, it should be closely watched by the FED, another one of their mandates from the constitution.
I didn't hear the AF disliked the f-22 Raptor. Must be an Adml. Mullen type who dissed it.
Spending??? Obama's green sh#t is rotting!!!! How much did we give them??
Mangy, question;
How do you feel about the Dept of Energy? (Blew the Solyndra deal amonst others).
How about the Dept of Education?
Maybe we should cut back on Defense and encourage lifetime support of other bullshit that, frankly, is detrimental.
Wes, you're laregly unworthy of a reply. You're just a f*#king dick....
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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What you fools don't understand that national defense is one of the few legit platforms of Federal Gov't responsibility.
Really? Cite the part of the Constitution that says that.
We all know you never defended it. Have you ever even read it?
Must be an Adml. Mullen type who dissed it.
Yeah, must be one of those guys who has spent their entire life in the service of defending the United States. WTF?
Anyway, back to your Constitutional expertise. Let's see if you can cut and paste...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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No Jeff, you were a one dollar a year DEPUTY.
Why don't you get out your little certificate of appreciation.
It's Show and Tell time now!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I wish I could nuke this cockpageant too.
Grow up bitches.
And Blue, I love your passion but trying to argue a point after a couple of beers using other people's bullet points does not behove you. You seem like youd be a cool person in person, act it online man.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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What's dope got to do with this Fattrad?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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And Blue, I love your passion but trying to argue a point after a couple of beers using other people's bullet points does not behove you. You seem like youd be a cool person in person, act it online man.
Point out where I'm incorrect in anything.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm not in the mood to fact check your posting record, and my point was aimed more at the manner in which you convey a point. Posting with lots of !!!!!!!!!!'s and calling people names undermines the body of your statement. Try bucking the fanatical trend of forcing opinions without truly hearing and appreciating the counterpoint, and listen. Most of us listen to the counterpoint and form an opinion based on all the facts. I personally, try as much as I can to do that. I'm not telling you that your opinion is wrong, that defies logic, as all opinions are property of their owners. I'm just imploring you to listen a little more and think a little deeper before you type. Nobody's perfect, least of all me. I'm simply voicing an opinion.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Brandon, my young friend, you too seem pretty personable.
However, if you choose to jump on the Wes-wagon and accuse me of being drunk and posting crap, you better be able to back that sh#t up, or else I'm gonna call you on it and throw some disparaging remarks back.
I don't tolerate fools lightly, nor rhetoric. I expect nothing less from others that debate here. If you can't take the heat...
I stand by all my remarks on this thread and the one you deleted. Again, nothing really personal, but be careful what you accuse me of. I will respond.
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The only facts you need to know is that $66.7 billion in fighter jets that were introduced over 6 years ago is ESSENTIAL to protect us from terrorists who fly airliners into skyscrapers.
Unlike you, dipsh#t, we have smart minds in the military who think of the next realistic conflict. I'll let you contemplate that, genious.
Who could it be???
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And $100 million is an OUTRAGEOUS amount to spend on public radio.
I agree. What's your point? Spend more money on Public Radio and less on national defense?
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