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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 03:55am PT
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I rest my case...
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 03:55am PT
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If you beat on a rock with a stick at approx. the same time each day, it will make the sun come up.
LMAO!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jul 24, 2011 - 07:59am PT
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Saw a show on either history or nat geo that explained how that site was not a ship wreck.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 09:29am PT
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Why is it that when the story of Noah's Ark is taught to children in Sunday school, the emphasis is always on the cute animals, and not the part where God kills every child on earth?
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Jul 24, 2011 - 10:13am PT
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Jul 24, 2011 - 10:34am PT
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"If it is The Ark, it is fossilized/petrified."
They let you teach science??? Good lord.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 24, 2011 - 10:40am PT
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Ladies and gentlemen......what we have here is a fable, there is no Ark.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2011 - 10:54am PT
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"If it is The Ark, it is fossilized/petrified."
They let you teach science??? Good lord.
Yes, the program said they indeed have found petrified wood on site. Although the program said it didn't show growth rings. Did it show replicated plant cells? I don't know.
Petrification is a well known geologic process. Have you never found petrified wood in the SW of the US? A plethora of locations exist where you can find these ancient trees replaced by polymorphs of quartz along with many trace elements and minerals. At times the detail is so elaborate you can even see that the plant cells have been replaced and replicated perfectly. Typically it takes thousands to millions of years in nature to occur.
However, in a lab it has been replicated within a short amount of time. Can conditions in nature occur where it is done in a relatively short amount of time geologically speaking? Within thousands of years? Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrified_wood
"In general, wood takes less than 100 years to petrify. The organic matter needs to become petrified before it decomposes completely.[1] A forest where the wood has petrified becomes known as a petrified forest."
"Artificial petrified wood
Artificial petrified wood has been produced in a Washington laboratory. In the process small cubes of pine were soaked in an acid bath for two days, then in a silica solution for another two. The product was then cooked at 1400 °C in an argon atmosphere for two hours. The result was silicon carbide ceramic which preserved the intricate cell structure of the wood.[9][10] Soaking in a tungsten solution produced a tungsten carbide petrified wood.[citation needed]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrified_wood
Ever been to The Petrified Forest National Park?
http://www.nps.gov/pefo/index.htm
"Saw a show on either history or nat geo that explained how that site was not a ship wreck."
What is the name of the program? I would like to watch it.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 24, 2011 - 11:39am PT
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Do I have to hold your hand? Look towards the center.
If you can't see it in your stereoscope, use your trioscope and look at it with all your eyes, not just two.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2011 - 11:41am PT
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GC,
You indeed make me laugh. lol. Too funny.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 12:19pm PT
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"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
-Mauve Floyd
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2011 - 12:44pm PT
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Yep, Lunar regolith dark all over.
Difficult stuff to deal with, just ask the Apollo astronauts. Gets over and into everything.
But don't throw it away. 1g of Lunar rock brought back to Earth from the Apollo missions has been valued at $50,000/g in a well known court case.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jul 24, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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I think the Sumerian ship was bigger and it settled in the Western US.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jul 24, 2011 - 04:00pm PT
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(Man... I hate bumping this thread, but what a troll!)
Try refuting the evidence they have found rather than resulting to ad hominem attacks.
Refutation has been made. Your source is a stooge, and has no authority. Now it is your responsibility to demonstrate any credibility. And, no, having lived in that part of the world for several years, the Turkish government is not authoritative.
Do you truly believe this crap, Steve?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2011 - 06:01pm PT
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Boy you guys have short memories:
1) Theistic Evolution.
2) I've not said this is 100% scientifically and empirically proven that this discovery is Noah's Ark. The evidence is compelling and very interesting. You may disagree.
3) We have barely gotten into all the physical evidence that the team has gathered.
4) You guys have a knee-jerk reaction to anything controversial that doesn't already agree with your preconceived world view, (as though we know it all, already.) I'm more open and willing to discuss these things. And I don't attack you at a personal level. (Hardly ever.)
5) Stick to facts and physical evidence. If you have something that empirically shows the physical evidence that they have gathered together is wrong and you have the physical evidence to prove it is wrong, then lets have it.
6) I don't want he said she said. That isn't evidence.
7) Lots of professional jealousy and worse can and has been involved with this discovery. Even death. Is knowledge ever purposefully hidden and held from mankind for deceitful motives? Yes it is.
"Contrary to their public image, scientists are normal, flawed human beings. They are as capable of prejudice, covetousness, pride, deceitfulness, etc., as anyone.” David Weatherall, “Conduct Unbecoming,“ American Scientist (vol. 93, January-February 2005), p. 73.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Jul 24, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
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hokay Klimmer, did they find a pair of wellingtons? cuz that wood nail it down for me.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 24, 2011 - 07:43pm PT
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The true Ark is in New Mexico on the Navajo Nation.
First ascent: 1939 by David Brower, Raffi Bedayn, Bestor Robinson and John Dyer.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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2) I've not said this is 100% scientifically and empirically proven that this discovery is Noah's Ark. The evidence is compelling and very interesting. You may disagree.
3) We have barely gotten into all the physical evidence that the team has gathered.
4) You guys have a knee-jerk reaction to anything controversial that doesn't already agree with your preconceived world view, (as though we know it all, already.) I'm more open and willing to discuss these things. And I don't attack you at a personal level. (Hardly ever.)
5) Stick to facts and physical evidence. If you have something that empirically shows the physical evidence that they have gathered together is wrong and you have the physical evidence to prove it is wrong, then lets have it.
6) I don't want he said she said. That isn't evidence.
I find it ironic that you talk about the "evidence" that supposedly supports this hoax, yet you haven't even commented on the links that I posted, which show scientists have debunked his claims.
Seriously tho, if there was anything even remotely credible at this site, archeologists, which by the way, Wyatt is NOT, would be all over it like flies on a pile of sh#t. Even the CHURCH debunks this guy. Hmmmmmm.......
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2011 - 09:27pm PT
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Yes, I have read a few articles that come from some of the sources you posted.
This one in particular by PhD Morris is interesting:
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/BoatShaped.html
Finally, at least he hits the evidence point by point and talks about other findings and results that counter Ron Wyatt's claims specifically. That is what I'm talking about. Finally.
I found the video presentation and Ron Wyatt's website article on the discovery compelling.
It needs to be debunked step by step. Not he said, she said. At least PhD Morris begins to do this. And he is also a man of faith.
However, I would have to disagree with Dr. Morris on the metal detecting. In the video program I posted that I watched, they show Ron Wyatt's team using authentic quality metal detectors, not "divining rods." In-fact, the program called a particular year, "the year of metal detecting," where they were able to map out the patterns very precisely using all 3 different metal detecting tools they were using, and each gave the same exact patterns.
I have a very good, high quality top of the line Fischer "Gold Bug 2" metal detector. Metal detectors work off the principle of EM induction. You can indeed discriminate very well and follow trails of conducting metals, even discriminate between low Fe content and high Fe content. It will discriminate Au from Fe and other conducting metals like Al, hence the name "Gold Bug." I can pin-point a conducting metal within just a few centimeters. It's very easy to follow conducting metals and any patterns in the ground that the conducting metals might form with good metal detectors. We have had good metal detectors commercially available since the 1960s.
Why would 3 different metal detecting tools all give the same exact patterns that they have mapped out in these images, unless of course there are indeed conducting metals/oxides that are in situ in these exact patterns? Note that the patterns converge on the so-called bow and stern, just as you would expect beams and perhaps metallic items fasteners etc. within these beams on a wooden ship to do. How is a pattern like this natural with conducting materials? So is it a hoax? They faked it?
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monolith
climber
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Jul 24, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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So which tabloid are you getting your pics out of this time, Klimmer?
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