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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Jul 22, 2011 - 11:57pm PT
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It's a tragedy anytime this happens, whether a market in Kabul, or Norways capital
That is a point that hopefully no one will argue about.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 23, 2011 - 12:24am PT
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Too f*#king sad. Not that they'll read it, but condolences to those affected.
I assumed that Fattrad was being ironic but maybe he was just wrong.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2011 - 12:31am PT
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Fatty was being ironic... That's his "thing."
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murcy
Gym climber
sanfrancisco
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Jul 23, 2011 - 12:40am PT
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jul 23, 2011 - 12:58am PT
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From reports I've read, this man was wearing a police uniform and rallied a group of children...then executing them.
Holy sh#t....
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2011 - 01:01am PT
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Sociopaths always feel justified, better than the rest of "the sheep" and... They don't feel remorse. I bet this guy feels heroic. He won't be taking his own life because he feels wonderful about the results.
His IQ must be very high in order to pull this off and... He is good looking which I bet he has used throughout his life for getting his way. This also has helped his ego and confidence expand into his belief that he is a super human. He must be a master manipulator. I bet he even put his picture up just so we can all get to look at him after this event. He's stroking his ego...
Crazy mofo...
I bet he even has a plan on how to fight the courts... Claim insanity? Drugs? Etc...
I really want to shoot him.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 23, 2011 - 03:45am PT
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Aftenposten now reports 80 or more murdered at the Labour Party youth camp on Utøya, west of Oslo. Many more injured, some seriously. Semi-automatic or automatic weapons were used, and an unexploded bomb there is being deactivated. Seven or more are dead in the bombing in downtown Oslo, as they continue to search the wreckage. As mentioned upthread, they've arrested a 32 year old man ("ethnic Norwegian") and are questioning him, and searching his apartment. I believe he was arrested at or near Utøya, and may have set the bomb off first, then travelled to the island. Unidentified sources in the police say he has links to right-wing extremists, which in context of Norwegian policing means they're putting together the details and looking for accomplices. Not speculation, in other words. Downtown Oslo, and Utøya, have largely been sealed off to the public, in part by the military.
For background:
 Norway has fewer than five million people. 90 or so deaths is proportionately about three times as many as those who died in the USA on 11/9/01.
The Labour Party has been the government in Norway for most of the time since World War II, often in coalitions. Despite the name, it is now slightly to the left of centre, in other words a liberal democratic party with a labour thread.
Norway abolished capital punishment after the executions of Quisling and other collaborators in 1946 - even if the attacker(s) wasn't criminally insane.
Norway has large armed forces. All young men must serve a year, and young women may if they wish. It is normal for the armed forces to take on a civil defence role.
Ownership of rifles and shotguns is common in Norway, for hunting. Hand guns are heavily restricted, and semi-automatic and automatic weapons essentially banned to the public.
It's now Saturday morning in Norway, and the news there is of nothing else. I'm sure my cousins and friends there, even if not directly affected, have enough to worry about without my pestering them. It seems likely that King Harald, and possibly Prime Minister Stoltenberg, will address the country today.
Fattrad, skipt: Please apologize for your ignorant comments upthread, and remove them. If you have any decency, apologize for them. Your ideological ranting has no place here - even if the attack had been by Islamic terrorists. As Mark Twain put it, better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool by some, than to open your mouth, and prove that you're a fool to everyone.
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Jul 23, 2011 - 07:46am PT
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I hope the SOB dies a VERY slow death. Even if he gets life, somebody will probably get to him. This is so tragic. Poor kids.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jul 23, 2011 - 08:48am PT
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Andersen said the suspect posted on websites with Christian fundamentalist tendencies.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 23, 2011 - 09:52am PT
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"A common topic of coversation in Norway is that this person will be convicted to the harshest penalty that we can give him, which is 21 years in prison," Sandberg said. "That means he is out after 16 years. He might be out after 14 years. And then he will be a free man. And he killed so many. We don't have laws that could lay out a penalty for what he's done."
Wow....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 23, 2011 - 11:11am PT
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I hope fatty leaves his post up as a reminder of the hazards of reactionary thinking.
NPR is saying 85 now! Man. Condolences all around.
Jul 22, 2011 - 02:02pm PT
AFS,
I know who and they believe in Islam.
Don't worry Norway or America, Israel will protect you.
The evil one
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 23, 2011 - 11:22am PT
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The New York Times is saying that 91 bodies have been found so far and they are still looking.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 23, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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Thanks, Lolli.
The death toll is now at least 91.
There was and will be an event in Norway, titled Tenn et lys for de døde og skadde etter tragedien i Oslo og Utøya. ("Light a candle for the dead and injured after the tragedy in Oslo and Utøya.") A purely private thing. About 810,000 indicate that they will participate. 4:30 PM Friday (yesterday), and again at 11:30 PM on Wednesday. (Norway time, so maybe subtract ten hours for PDT?)
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/event.php?eid=244185822272540
(I saved a screen shot of the idiotic comments made earlier by certain ignoramuses.)
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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Ease up there Riley. This is tragedy. I don't understand why it can't be compared to our Oklahoma city. Can you explain this?
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2011 - 03:07pm PT
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Children where also killed in the Oklahoma bombing. I bet their parents understand a lot about what is going on in Norway.
It is extremely horrible and... I bet laws will change in Norway in order to persecute this guy properly.
Beyond that... The loss of a child in such a way... Oh, I can't imagine the pain.
My deepest condolences...
AFS
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jul 23, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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What a truly horrible thing to happen. Condolences to all who have friends, family who are struck by this tragedy.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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I was thinking of a life sentence. Torture is not my thing though he does inspire me. I do believe that some people should never be released and... I really don't think he deserves to be in a mental institution since he knew perfectly well what he was doing. I think having him around people that are truly mentally ill... Well, I bet he'll enjoy torturing his weaker fellow inmates and sweet talk out of being caught. Plus insanity is too kind a word for his kind of evil.
I would prefer him to be with rapist and murderers. They can handle him. Plus remember that he's smart, don't ever underestimate his power over others. He'll always be very dangerous.
AFS
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jul 23, 2011 - 05:48pm PT
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Well said Lolli & thank you.
My heart goes out to everyone.
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