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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 08:03am PT
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I've got 3 bootied Kong cams I found on a route I never use. I'm thinking about leaving them at Nomad for him.
Store owners are not always thrilled about people bringing packs into their stores.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:16am PT
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Store owners are not always thrilled about people bringing packs into their stores.
They will be even less thrilled when people don't shop at there store.
What store doesn't let you put your pack/bag inside at the front door or at the checkout while you shop?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 08:48am PT
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Things have gotten dicier around here in the past 5 years or so. People have had gear stolen out of the back of their locked camper shells etc. I've done a fair amount of electrical and computer work for Sam's market and for their other store in Landers. You would not believe the amount of bullshit I've seen go down over the course of one day.
A couple of years back somebody parked their truck down behind Crossroads for a few days while they stayed in the park. He returned, truck was gone. I never leave gear or tools in the back of my truck.
Thanks Scott, I'll do some checking and find out what state he's in and let ya know.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Feb 22, 2011 - 09:51am PT
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"May your children live in interesting times"--- the oft-quoted chinese curse.
This is as bad as stealing a carpenter's or contractor's tools or his truck. And very likely the thief was not even a climber so the stuff will just go to waste as well.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 10:06am PT
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Yeah it is. There have been a number of packs stolen over the years from various campgrounds as well. Usually the thieves are looking for cameras, wallets etc. Stolen climbing gear doesn't get sold around often because climbers are the only ones who will buy it. We usually know when something is fishy. My guess is most of the time climbing gear ends up in the dumpster or the land fill.
This guide lost his tools to work.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Feb 22, 2011 - 10:13am PT
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Maybe weirder, Robert, it gets taken to the recycler! Wouldn't that be funny--- cams and nuts being melted down for their aluminum at whatever the hell the rate is, like $.80???/lb. One of the worst aspects to this kind of crap is the way one feels for days after being victimized---- this gross and filthy, creepy insecurity. And of course tons of violent ideation about killing the perps.
I have never had climbing stuff stolen but many times I have had my equipment stolen. Maybe something like ten times in 50 years. Out of my house, out of my truck, while actually working in the public domain. And got furious every single time.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 10:30am PT
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I know it first hand. While my wife and I were staying at my mom's in L.A. during my wifes Chemo, 3 meth addicts backed a small stake bed truck up to our house and cleaned it out. They also robbed 15 other homes in the immediate area over a months time. They even stole food. I drove around the "hood" for the next week knowing that some of our neighbors were questionable at best, and kept pretty shady company. Probably not the smartest thing to do, but I informed each and every one of them that if I found out they knew or had any involvement in the theft that they had better pray the cops find them first.
After they were arrested they confessed to it all. We got a few things back, but not much. They each received a 4 year sentence and a second strike. I WAS PISSED! They sold our and others belongings for dirt cheap at the swap meet and had a garage sale.
I lost all 5 of my computers I need for a large project I was working on. I lost several oscilloscopes etc. Not too mention all the other valuables as well. Insurance only covered a small percentage of the loss. That process took over 3 years to complete.
I have no sympathy for thieves.
F*#k'm
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 11:18am PT
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Ok, I just got word that he pretty much got cleaned out. I'm going to donate 3 cams I bootied of a route a number of years ago, and make some super tape slings for him. If anybody else want's to kick in anything. Please do so. He's not only out his rack, he's also out guide school gear which he will probably have to pay for. That's not going to be easy when he can't work!
Put your BS aside and let's lend this guy a hand. Remember, we're supposed to be a community that looks out for one another, not just the famous names.
Thanks for any help. You can send me emails via the taco stand and I'll make sure he gets his gear.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:30pm PT
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Robert, check your email I have some stuff...
Kris
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Johnny K.
climber
Southern,California
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:44pm PT
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Of course if this was 20 years ago,it would be different story.But this is 2011.
First of all if he/she is a LEGIT guide,all the gear should be covered by insurance.
In this day and age people are lacking COMMON SENSE and respect.Yucca valley,29 palms,Jtree etc etc of all places is not a safe place to leave any valuables anywhere.Think before you leave hundreds of dollars of gear outside anywhere in the public.It doesnt have to be jtree,it can beverly hills or melrose for all that matters,there is always some shady person around trying to benefit on someone elses hard work.I feel sorry for the guide,but it could have been avoided,others should take heed.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:59pm PT
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As to bringing packs into a store.
Ask the clerk if you can leave your pack behind their counter. Have yet to find a store that is not more than happy to accommodate in this way.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 22, 2011 - 02:33pm PT
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If the "pack" contained a full rack, rope and multiple harnesses and helmets it was most likely full size haul bag?
That Indian Cove market is pretty crowded space wise, I can't see storing a pack that size behind the counter. Maybe just inside the door though.
Blame the guide if you want. I blame the thief.
Did the guide not have a vehicle? If he didn't want to leave his bag in the back of an open truck maybe he tried to bring it in the store but couldn't?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 22, 2011 - 02:38pm PT
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Sure are a lot of holes in this story.
As many said, what "local" would be dumb enough to leave ANYthing unattended in our lovely burg?
Why not leave the pack in the car, and if no car, wtf are you doing at IC market on foot with a pack full of gear in the first place? Not like you're walking home from Indian Cove, and if you actually lived in IC, why not drop the pack at home first?
If helmets and harnesses are the school's, why using personal rack and rope to guide?
Sorry for the dude, getting jacked sucks, but something doesn't add up here.
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hulk
climber
curry
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Feb 22, 2011 - 02:51pm PT
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I wasn't sure if my posting would do anything but I had a triple rack, tent, sleeping bags, haul bags,harnesses,ipod, electrical tools, 4 years of writing everything I owned etc.. and my truck stolen in LA. got the truck back but no gear. any suggestions?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Feb 22, 2011 - 02:53pm PT
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I don't care what undercover rock you crawled out from, there's a dress code for detectives in Robbery-Homicide. Section 3-605. 10. 20. 22. 24. 26. 50. 70. 80. It specifies: clean shirt, short hair, tie, pressed trousers, sports jacket or suit, and leather shoes, preferably with a high shine on them.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 22, 2011 - 02:57pm PT
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rlf - could the guide post an image of the sales receipt for the items he
bought at the Indian Cove Market when the theft occured.
It'll show the time/date he was in the store and be a step to put a stop to the conspiracy theories.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Feb 22, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
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Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Feb 22, 2011 - 03:27pm PT
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Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.
I recognize a corollary there from the first couple years I was climbing... we used to do that sort of thing with route topos from time to time and end up on the wrong route.
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AndyG
climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 22, 2011 - 04:16pm PT
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Robert,
I will probably come up to josh in 2 weeks. I've got a wide variety of older gear that I never use anymore. I'll bring it along. I'll get your phone # from Jean before we come up (or Jean might be with us).
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