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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Feb 19, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
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Your revolution is over, Mr. Weschrist! The bums lost!
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Feb 19, 2011 - 08:59pm PT
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COPD... thought you guys were talking about how much it sucks to get "Coped" (verb similar to tooled)
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 19, 2011 - 09:52pm PT
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I used to climb with a guy who was always stoned.
He was perfectly normal.
Then
When he wasn't stoned he looked and acted totally stoned.
I'd tell him at that point to go get stoned ......
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 19, 2011 - 10:11pm PT
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Dude, in Barstow -16 yr olds look like they're 60.
Herb's got nothin to do with that.
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Feb 19, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
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A person who will remain unnamed set the world speed record on skis while on lsd. This is a pretty extreme activity. Some people can handle it.
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Feb 19, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
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CURVEBALL!!!
What if one sticks to edibles, radical?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 19, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
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"So would you say your view on the subject might be just a little... uhhh... biased?"
"what is biased about it weschrist?
there is no point to what you say.."
Ok… ok….
When a person says another person is being biased what they mean is: having or showing bias or prejudice: They gave us a biased report on immigration trends.
Maybe the word could have been "subjective", because after all radical was merely reporting his point of view, which, we all know, is 100% subjective.
There is no need to get upset, and start the name game, not just yet.
My question would be: After reading the article, why would anyone need to apply their personally held views on everyone else, when discussing this subject.
Some claim their is a deity, because without one people would end up killing, raping, and stealing all over the world.
And if you are willing to admit that there was a time before written language, then you have to admit that this would not be the case. Because if there was no written language, there was no bible, and therefore people survived, and lived just fine without it.
Same goes for your laws on weed, along with the prejudices regarding weed. There may be effects of weed smoking that happen to every human that may or may not be reported. But it is still a subjective experience for all, just like drinking and just like banging your first hooker: If the experience is a good one for that person, they may be more likely to do it again, if not that hooker may never piss on him again.
So, before I judge the article (and I say its a good piece of writing which fits in with all other pieces of writing on this subject) I take into consideration my own experiences with the subject matter. The article is not located in the high-school text book of your local school…. Its in an obscure mag, that caters to the (what, 50%) already initiated.
Personally, any article that tells the truth about weed (or at least a truth I can relate to) is ok in my book.
cheer (or tokes if your into that type of thing)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 20, 2011 - 05:41am PT
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Feb 20, 2011 - 10:26am PT
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so steve going 200 km on skiis made the acid stronger?
or the acid made him stronger...faster.
or it was like a cup of coffee.
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Feb 20, 2011 - 12:34pm PT
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Years ago I was out new-routing with old friends and new acquaintances. One new guy, after observing and trying to keep up all day asked:
"How do you guys toke so much and still climb so hard?"
The reply came:
"I don't know... How do you stay sober and still suck so bad?"
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 20, 2011 - 12:40pm PT
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Good one disaster!
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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Feb 20, 2011 - 12:48pm PT
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that article was lame. i cant believe dpm published it. it sounds like they had the results of the "test" all figured out ahead of time. i have rarely ever heard of anyone not tying in properly let alone twice in one day. absurd. had the testers ever smoked weed or climbed very much at all?? i doubt it. some people are just stupid to begin with and weed makes it worse. being uptight and anxious and stressed out is often worse than being a little tired or hungry or spaced out from weed. being drunk is way worse, and carries over to the next day but it's legal - ha.
“'You are drunk Sir Winston, you are disgustingly drunk. 'Yes, Mrs. Braddock, I am drunk. But you, Mrs. Braddock are ugly, and disgustingly fat. But, tomorrow morning, I, Winston Churchill will be sober.”
sort of the same for weed. if your dumb as fuk and smoke weed you might get dumber (although you might have a pot induced realization and get smarter sometimes) but if you are smart already and suffer from super analytical over thinking then you will probably get that toned down to a more relaxed workable state of mind. a perfect state of thought and emotion - zen.
its not for everybody just the smart, happy people :)
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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Feb 20, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
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fukn funny disaster master!! :)
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big ears
Trad climber
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Feb 20, 2011 - 12:55pm PT
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"Check your not, then smoke some pot" used to be my motto, but now I climb sober. I do enjoy bringing a beer up a long route to share with partners at the top of a climb though
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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Feb 20, 2011 - 01:18pm PT
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i agree a beer or two and a puff or two can help some of us relax and enjoy. all in moderation.
sharma won the world championships stoned as hell and he got disqualified after testing positive for weed. for some maybe it is a performance enhancer but for others maybe not. but so is caffeine and alcohol in some ways and even yerba mate or plain old sugar for that matter. so either dont allow all of those or simply just test for the real bad ones - speed and steroids and let the people choose what is right for them.
i think this anti weed thing is mainly a mid west sort of thing that can actually do way more harm than good. dpm should be ashamed of this. i met a friend who moved here from the mid west and sayed that he couldnt believe how so many people in cali smoke weed but not too many do speed. where he was from it was the opposite and he thought it was because weed was more expensive, and back there weed was considered soft and equally as bad as speed and heroin and so kids just used speed. he said that if more kids from back there smoked weed without the stigma maybe there would be less speed and heroin addicts and worthless alcoholics.
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sempervirens
climber
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Feb 20, 2011 - 02:01pm PT
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For you pot smokers, a perspective not yet mentioned on this thread:
Consider something you do well. Maybe skiing, or running, or climbing. Smoke some pot and perhaps you do even better or at least as well.
Now consider something that you find very difficult but would like to be better at. Maybe mathematics, re-wiring you house, calculating density altitude. Smoke some pot and see if it gets easier.
Whatta ya think? See my point?>
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Feb 20, 2011 - 02:09pm PT
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I think a lot of it has to do with "state dependent learning", ie, the state you are in when you learn it, is the state you are most comfortable doing it in.
Kind of a crappy example but, I learned to play darts drinking and smoking herb. I can't hit the broad side of a barn sober, but after a few beers and a couple of hits I'm "in the zone" and that little bullseye looks huge.
I had a friend that climbed regularly on acid tell me once that he could see all of the little subtle smear holds and texture of the rock better when he was meltin' the blotter. Not my cup of tea....
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giegs
climber
Tardistan
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Feb 20, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
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Semper, I think it also depends on the type of mindset you need. For me, things that require a singular focus such as math, tile work, carpentry, etc become easier while stoned provided I'm not fully blitzed. Anything that requires me to coordinate my effort with another person becomes significantly harder.
For everyone that gets paranoid, try some edibles if you're curious. At least in my experience they're far less likely to cause or increase anxiety.
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Erik Vance
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Feb 20, 2011 - 02:28pm PT
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I don't know. I still say I'd rather my climber was high than my belayer. When I was first getting into the game 20 years ago three dudes I met in Tahoe died a week later because their anchor pulled while they were climbing stoned. It sorta killed the whole thing for me. No judgment, just tell me before we get to the crag.
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sempervirens
climber
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Feb 20, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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Yeah, that's reasonable, "state-dependent learning" and being "in the zone" after a hit or two. In my 20+ years of regular smoking I have also experienced both of those states.
How 'bout considering something more important than the example of darts and more difficult for you than carpentry, tilework, finding the smear holds. Maybe carpentry and tilework are already very challenging for you, in which case you have already addressed my example and if so you definately refute my point. Good.
If not, take another example of your own choosing, but something that you really are wanting to improve in for yourself. Anything, .... spelling, Greek language, parenting....
I'd be suprised if you say you can learn it easier while stoned.
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