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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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klimmer
That monolith guy is just the other side of the coin from you.
WB,
Yes, and I'm on the side of telling the truth.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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the only support for the particular interpretation of a single, poor angle video of the vapor trail is that in the hypothesis that it was a missile launch, the launch is constrained to have originated from that rather large region, that region being a known and declared launch test area
Ed,
That is 100% USDA Bull Dung.
There is a lot of evidence that it was a missile, not just from where it was shot.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Yes, and I'm on the side of telling the truth.
The same truth that leads you to believe in Moon Arks, aliens visiting earth, and bible codes.
I don't think a single person on this forum believes in all the crap you do....not a single one!
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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That monolith guy is just the other side of the coin from you.
And of course, a very nice compliment. Thanks much Werner.
Klimmer, part of my job was to make sure KCAL fell in line. I may get a raise out of this.
BTW, they are used to internet kooks in their comment section, so it was an easy job for me.
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raymond phule
climber
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Tony Bird wrote
geez, when you can't argue with the message you immediately attack the messenger. you guys are all knee-jerk.
This really sounds familiar. What about contrailscience.com?
So why do you seems to like to both ignore the message find on some sites and also attack the messengers when you seems to think that it is wrong to do so?
I started reading the article but got bored when he started to talk about the bulletin ...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Port,
We'll all know one day.
Some people see further than others, and some people see it before others do.
New knowledge, new information is often contraversial. Very contraversial.
That's how it goes with "The Forbidden Secret Knowledge."
TPTB want to keep people in the dark. Knowledge is power. And they don't like to share.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Ron, don't forget Gandhi's 'first they laugh at you...'
One way you can test the theory is to take off the clown suit.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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we really ought to take it over to the klimmer contrail thread, raymond. if you'd like to pursue this further, please put a post there and i'll join you with, i'm sure, balanced contingents of tin hatters and mole whackers.
i do believe i conceded that you have a convincing article there, but one rather limited in its scope from two points of view:
1) it seems to be something done locally in colorado in 1970. can you find anything on the "contrail problem" before or after then, with a nationwide, and currently worldwide point of view?
2) the article seems entirely concerned with light penetration of contrail-derived clouds. there is no discussion of the mechanics of contrail generation and expansion. we have a 1940s popular mechanics treatment of that, from which we seem to have established that contrails can derive from both pressure and moisture disturbances. apart from that, no delving into a very obvious interference with nature, on a global scale, and so-called environmental groups strangely silent on the subject.
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raymond phule
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Klimmer wrote:
Some people see further than others, and some people see it before others do.
New knowledge, new information is often contraversial. Very contraversial.
I really should write down all predictions "special people" have written down on the internet and check back in 10 or 30 years if they where actually correct.
Does is exist a ark on the moon?
Do long lasting natural contrails don't exist?
Is farsight going to revolutionize physics (taken from other forums)?
etc
etc
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raymond phule
climber
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we really ought to take it over to the klimmer contrail thread, raymond. if you'd like to pursue this further, please put a post there and i'll join you with, i'm sure, balanced contingents of tin hatters and mole whackers.
i do believe i conceded that you have a convincing article there, but one rather limited in its scope from two points of view:
You obviously completely missed the point of my post in this thread. Remembered that you ignored everything in this site http://contrailscience.com/ ?
Why do you complain when people ignore certain websites when you also ignore certain websites?
You obviously also again missed my point in regard to the article from 1970.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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klimmer, certainly there are hypotheses regarding the vapor trail, if you look at it from a more objective point of view, you can assemble the facts regarding the assumptions that underpin those hypotheses and make a judgement as to which is more likely...
...these hypotheses are based on a set of supporting evidence which I assume are all consistent with the data, so anyone of them could be "true"
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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you ignore a lot too, raymond. as i said before, contrailscience is one of those let's-stamp-out-the-conspiracy-theorists websites. i did take a look at it, but i realized i'd only be hearing one side of the story. your meteorology journal is a good citation, probably the best i've seen on this subject for your point of view, but, as i say, it's pretty limited in scope, and if it's the only such thing out there, it arouses some suspicion. there is widespread concern about this issue, and congress itself seems to be belatedly addressing "geoengineering", perhaps from the back door, knowing full well it has gone on for years and just doing its little thing so the public will swallow the medicine better. that's all congress is about, getting you and me to swallow our medicine. i don't even vote for the as#@&%es any more.
as i've told klimmer--i'm an equal opportunity curmudgeon--i expect you to put arguments in your own words from your own understanding, not require me to spend a week reading everything you want me to read.
if you can get me interested in something, that could change. i'm actually reading hilbert right now, a book recommended here by ed hartouni. it doesn't tell you much about mathematics, but it does tell a lot about mathematicians. it seemed they checked into mental hospitals regularly in the late 1800s, especially if they started losing an argument!
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2010 - 03:37pm PT
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Israeli sub, using our waters to test the new cruise missiles. Ahhhhh haaah! Now we might be getting somewhere. The Iranians have a supersonic shore to ship missile which is said to be able to sink any surface ship we have in the Persian gulf......Stuxnet worm. Now This. ..the plot might just be thickening up some more.......
We have never been at war with Oceana Boyz. Remember that.
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raymond phule
climber
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and if it's the only such thing out there, it arouses some suspicion.
And here is probably the largest error in your thinking on this issue.
You don't seem to have much knowledge about the issue.
You don't seem to have any real research for your self (reading scientific articles, looking after scientific articles, reading book trying to understand the atmosphere etc).
In short. You don't seem to have done much work at all to understand the issue.
You then draw what seems to be strong conclusion from the fact that people on supertopo haven't shown you a lot of (what you consider) evidence against your case.
I have for example given you I think 4 or 5 references to scientific paper about long lasting contrails that was published before 1999 (and thus disproving the claim that they started to exist 1999). That took me maybe a couple of minutes with google schoolar.
So scientific references obviously exist about contrails but it still takes some time to find them (it really isn't that easy to find old articles). My question is why should you don't do the work to try to find them instead of just complaining that what people have shown you is not enough?
You just to prove things with your own ignorance.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Many on the tacostand are not know for their ability to use the scientific method, or even a remedial comprehension of it.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Bwha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!!!!!!
Get 'em, kev! Right on.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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the problem with google scholar is that you usually have to pay to read beyond abstracts and first pages.
try google-scholaring something like "military cloud seeding" or even "chemtrails". you'll find dozens of references to things you really won't want to look into. you're a cherry-picker, raymond.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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I did google scholar chemtrail. A brief glance shows nothing from peer reviewed science journals.
There were articles from prisonplanet, etc.
Don't forget that google breaks search terms apart to help find matches, so chemtrail matches with a lot of chemistry articles.
Tony, give us a few abstracts you believe are credible science in chemtrail research.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Not to thread drift but . . .
Clearly the answer is if we all become Pirates the Average Global temperatures will go down. It's very clear. Become a Pirate and we will all ski and ice climb more often. Cool.
Lol. Too funny. ;-)
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