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Gene
Social climber
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Nov 10, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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FauxNews Poll:
What Was the Mystery Launch?
U.S. missile 35.17% (7,555 votes)
Foreign missile 26.27% (5,643 votes)
Civilian rocket 12.06% (2,590 votes)
Commercial jet 14.44% (3,101 votes)
Alien spacecraft 5.24% (1,126 votes)
Optical illusion 2.45% (527 votes)
Other (leave a comment) 4.36% (937 votes)
Total Votes: 21,479
EDIT: Please note the question - What Was the Mystery Launch?
Typical FauxNews
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Nov 10, 2010 - 03:37pm PT
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Proof positive that only 16.89% of Faux viewers have brains.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Nov 10, 2010 - 03:37pm PT
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I did not see this but I heard a report that there was a visible bow shock. These are commonly observed on rockets from Vandenberg but never on jet planes.
I can't wait until the military comes out with their final statement. The fact that they still don't have a press release is super weird.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 10, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
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Something happened ....
The military freaks out and mobilizes their disinformation team.
Supertopo freaks out and launches their disinformation team.
Nobody that really knows is getting through.
Only the disinformation crew is allowed safe passage ....
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 10, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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I'm with MH and jstan on this one.
I don't know that the chinese have sub-launched ICBM capability. Even if they did, they would be very unlikely to launch a test
from that close to the US.
It would make too many folks too nervous, as there would be almost zero response time.
The link to the HI-AZ plane contrail explanation seems pretty conclusive. If that's not right, and it was a missile launch, it was almost certainly one of ours that they just dont want to talk about.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 10, 2010 - 04:11pm PT
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The Chinese are flexing their muscles a bit these days, and their military isn't entirely controlled by the apparatchiks. But they're hardly fool enough to engage in high-risk missile launches off the US coast. There are few other countries with the capability (France, Britain, Russia, Israel, maybe India?), mostly US allies or friendlies.
Using Occam's Razor, a nifty gadget which I encourage conspiracy theorists to cut themselves with, if there was a missile launch at all, it was of US origin.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 10, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
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Just see how they're all guessing again.
Guess enough and then it will embed in the brain as some hope as truth .....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 10, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
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Yes, Werner, we're estimating probabilities - the conspiracy theorists aside, that is. Just like you do when planning and holding a search. Gathering and assessing information, working out what else we need to know and how we're going to find out, coming to a reasonable hypothesis as to what happened, then testing it, and modifying it as needed.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 10, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
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Ghost,
The following is the link to the article, which the poster did not give . . .
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20101110
Wayne Madsen Report.
Wayne is a very brave soul. Former Navy and NSA agent.
To read the article you have to be a paying member.
I've learned a great deal over the years from Wayne Madsen.
Thanks to ddriver we got to read the following . . .
Believe it or not. Pics don't come with:
November 10, 2010 -- Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR's intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China's leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.
The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.
Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.
There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.
Missile experts, including those from Jane's in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.
Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.
Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile "show of force" in skies west of Los Angeles.
Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.
Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.
The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China's navy can also play in waters off the American coast.
For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy's Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan's December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.
In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People's Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the "spin" on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at "Star Wars II."
So we all got to read it for free :-))
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Gene
Social climber
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:16pm PT
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Yep. That's it. The same day Obama is proposing India gets a seat on the UN Security Council, the Chinese, to show their displeasure, launch a ballistic missile off the coast of So. Cal.
That works.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:17pm PT
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FOS?
Huh?
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
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Flight 808 from Hawaii to PHX? Cool, I'll be on that flight in late January, suckahs!
And it's not a contrail, it's a CHEMtrail! that part is sooooo OBVIOUS!
monday would have been a good day to buy tinfoil stocks, eh?
it does beg the question, though - should I learn Tamil or Mandarin when I'm in South India next year?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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The chem-trail is worse than any missile.
When it was a missile, it was heading away from us. The chem-trail is coming right toward us.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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So it's a win-win situation for Klimmer no matter what it actually was.
very good.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
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I'm scared. I'll be spending the next few nights hiding from the bogeyman.
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:55pm PT
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I don't track the political threads here, but was there already a discussion of how U.S. is backing India for a permanent UN security council seat at the same time that India is deciding which country will sell it a full new fleet of fighter planes?
Kinda relevant to China's moves too.
I started listening to NPR (now PRI) a few months ago. One week they are talking about India's plans to overhaul their military equipment and US competing for that business, and Obama's visit closely tied to that. The very next week I hear about U.S. backing India for a permanent seat on the UN security council, but not mention of the other story or context. It seems like a strong dotted line there and they're not connecting the dots.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 10, 2010 - 05:57pm PT
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Mystery Rocket Launch Reported On Chinese News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SFTXJWV-I
At least the Chinese News service is reporting on it and they also show the "live" video footage time and time again. Not single still frames.
Since when does a fuselage of an aircraft give off a very bright point source of "glowing" light like a rocket engine? Doesn't happen.
It seems to me to be a missile launch like it was first reported.
Once again. Show me an aircraft fuselage lighting up as a single "glowing" point source like a rocket engine, and I will believe you.
Good luck on that.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 10, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
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Christ on a Bicycle, you conservatives jump at your own shadows. Is there ANTYHING you ain't skeered of?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 10, 2010 - 06:03pm PT
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Look at Anders obfuscating... it was a Canadian Missile!
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 10, 2010 - 06:10pm PT
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here's what a real missile launch looks like just after local sunset from
Vandenburg AFB just north of L.A.
Doesn't look anything like the Nov 8 contrail sighting does it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQA7cZLVf8
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