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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Again, I'm not saying one way or the other that you are wrong or you are right.
I'll stick to my guns. You have yet to prove a single word of what you say. Trying to cloud your accusations with more smoke and mirrors of, check out this guy's last 'n' posts offers no proof or credibility to your stance.
Therefore, until you actually come forward with some real proof, you are nothing more than a troll.
So far, the only tool here is you. I won't respond to this thread again until you can offer some real proof of your allegations. Which you will not, and can not.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Yo Rox,
"Eating Raoul"!!!
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jonezy
Big Wall climber
Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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RLF. Thats ok if you don't want to reply. MTucker stopped replying after someone made his identity on the previous thread. Coincidence??
Even a blind man knows when the sun is shinning.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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MTucker's last post was on September 24th. This thread, claiming without any evidence so far that MTucker is a ranger, started on October 2nd. Not much of a coincidence, if any.
Again, please provide hard evidence of your claim. A review of the tasering thread suggests that MTucker is reasonably well acquainted with such matters, and the incident, but that hardly proves anything. Many here seem knowledgeable as to law enforcement, rangers, tasers, guns, civil rights, and what happened, and the charge form itself was posted.
Even if Ogg was involved in the base jumping arrest, it doesn't 'prove' a connection. And somehow it seems unlikely that a ranger would post here under anything but his/her own name, with approval for doing so, or that a ranger would post under a pseudonym, hoping not to be exposed. (Of course, the world is a strange place...) There are strict professional and legal limits as to such things. Why would a ranger risk disciplinary proceedings or worse for what seems an open and shut case, with a repeat defendant, however popular the defendant and perhaps his 'cause' are, and however unpopular he or rangers generally may be with a noisy few?
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
California
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It will all be hashed out in the civil case... life is grand!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Very interesting....
Good luck Ammon.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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"Why would a ranger risk disciplinary proceedings or worse for what seems an open and shut case, with a repeat defendant, however popular the defendant and perhaps his 'cause' are, and however unpopular he or rangers generally may be with a noisy few?"
Maybe because the person is an idiot?
That would be a reason I suppose...
Not saying anyone is, but that is an answer to your seemingly rhetorical question.
Cheers,
DD
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jonezy
Big Wall climber
Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2010 - 04:51am PT
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Yes... life is grand.
MTucker(aka Fletcher Ogg) stopped replying after 2 events.
1. people got tired of his self-righteous posts and slander of Ammon's character.
2. He was called out on his identity.
That was probably the last time he posted here on the site is when his identity was made.
Yes several people know a lot about the criminal system. But at least they "jodi's evil twin" come out and say it... We know their a cop.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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From U.S. v. French:
there is conflicting testimony as to whether the Defendant ran the stop sign or failed to make a left turn signal at the first intersection. Ranger Ogg's testimony is subject to some doubt based on his location and the direction his vehicle was facing at the time he allegedly saw Mrs. French's vehicle run the stop sign. Ranger Ogg was also in believing that Mrs. French ran a second stop sign that was subsequently determined not to exist.
Hard to run a stop sign that doesn't exist.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Citing for invisible stop signs. CLEAR proof the man is the insidious MTucker. ;)
I just wander from room to room. Interesting accusation. I agree we may need a little more proof than some strange confrontations on a ST thread, although these days I pretty much assume anybody can be anybody online.
and while you are at it...Why not stick to one subject? I don't get the bash on the girl. Seems totally random and uncalled for. The first thing I think is... "jilted lover" or "jealous reject" when I see posts like that.
Edit to add: I don't actually believe this crap BTW.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Of course you're right, Maid. But it was not intended as proof or evidence of anything. It was a reaction to Anders, who is reflexively on his knees to blow LE, on the assumption that they are all inherently honorable people without flaw. And his reasoning somehow includes the fact that their s.o. got rescued on a hiking trail (still trying to grok the relevance of that info).
When an authority figure lies in the course of his duty enforcing the law...and make no mistake, that's exactly what happened in the case I listed...said person needs to be removed from any position of authority and public trust.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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ElCIYA you said "grok" and he thinks Heinlein is juvenile.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Thats hilarious, and actually a pretty good flow chart.
I like the "get caught by game", "choose new leader".
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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ECIYA: It was a reaction to Anders, who is reflexively on his knees to blow LE, on the assumption that they are all inherently honorable people without flaw. And his reasoning somehow includes the fact that their s.o. got rescued on a hiking trail (still trying to grok the relevance of that info). Not at all - I assume only that the police are human beings, generally trying to do their best, sometimes in difficult circumstances. I know that some of them don't measure up to that standard, for example those who are sometimes overzealous. And there are undoubtedly a few who are dishonest, incompetent, corrupt, or heavy-handed. Just read the papers. But perhaps it's difficult for Americans, with their schizophrenic libertarianism and authoritarianism, to understand a liberal who isn't reflexively anti-authority.
I don't share the childish anti-police paranoia that some here have. Perhaps there could be better understanding between the rangers and some Valley climbers, and some rangers could sometimes be less zealous, but that goes both ways. And given the sociology of adolescent males, some will always be doing foolish things.
ECIYA seems an odd nickname for someone accusing me of being on my knees to blow LE. I've been called worse things by better people. Apart from vague circumstantial things, there's still nothing to show that MTucker is in fact the ranger mentioned. Let's stick to that issue, OK? The new poster "jonezy" has made accusations. Mostly coming down to that he doesn't like ranger Ogg, that Ogg tasered and arrested McNeely (did he?), and that a poster named MTucker, who's been here since January, has made informed, strong posts to the McNeely/taser thread. (The posts don't seem to show any insider information.) Added to that, ECIYA's excerpt about another case entirely, where a court apparently didn't accept all of Ogg's evidence. Which happens to the police quite often, and is no big deal - it doesn't show anything more than that the police (humans) are sometimes wrong.
So let's get back to reality - what facts are there to show that MTucker is the ranger you mention? Not innuendo, not vague circumstances - facts. If you don't have any facts, STFU.
ps I really like cintune's cartoon. Here's another one:
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mighty's response is mighty reasonable.
Seems like almost every time some numbnuts tries to stir up a good old fashioned lynching somebody has to inject a dose of reason and reality.
What a buzzkill! lol
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Some days I am confused of who I am.
Adam Jones, I don't know if we have met. Sounds like a pretty generic name.
I am still waiting to meet up with Ammon. He said "See you soon".
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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No confusion, you're just a tool that's to CS to use your name. There was a yosemite leo that used to post on st and other online forms named base 666, you're almost as tacky. . .
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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What I really want to know is...
Are you really from Arizona?
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