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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 01:38pm PT
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wow...
for a minute, I had the impression that someone shook off that old stupid....
nice to see someone haven't learned a thing, and are back to their old ways....
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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not you lolli....
there are others expressing stupidity that need not be mentioned..
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 12, 2010 - 02:02pm PT
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Klimmer,
ah yes, the "noble savage".
Really?
Granted, it took longer with primitive means, but pre-colombian americans extirpated more species and had some impact on the environment creating a little thing we call the Great Plains with,.. fire!
Check the fossil record.
The buffalo herds were a byproduct of their tampering that they had trouble relying on until the white man provided the horse.
And the great horse culture lasted barely more than a century.
And the transmission of disease?
Do you think it was all white to red?
Check out the origin of syphilis.
And his name was Goyatla, not the anglicized "Geronimo".
(love C.S. Fly's work though)
Its history. Get over it.
Sorry to interrupt the flaming of the mormons. Please continue.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
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Not that I have a problem with the the sentiment of Klimmer's post above... I just have a question for the "all" about what it is that "we" all believe...
to quote:
"Let's see . . .
Native North Americans had 10,000+ year history here before we ever came along."
 My question is: Which one of "we" are "we" talking about here? Simply put, You and I were never part of the atrocity of the white-man clearing of the lands way back when... Meanwhile, you and I are indeed the beneficiaries of the clearing of the lands. I, for one, do not like the idea of being part of a race of people who would clear the land of all that simply do not look like me/us in order for peace to be had by all/us. And I, for one, feel that "we" would have been much better off if "we" did not do what "we" had done.
Klimmer, I agree with all that you have stated. It is those sad truths that many forget, or purposefully discard from history that lead to some of the fissures I see in this "united states" today.
So the next question I have has more of a here and now feel to it: What can I do on the individual level to change it?
I know that none of this can ever be reversed.... so what can be done.
Recognizing the facts help.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
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I wonder if Muhammed Atta and his Merry Men had this incident in mind when they chose a date for their big day.
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daendil
Sport climber
Indianapolis, IN
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Sep 12, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
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This massacre was an inside job, just like 9-11-01, and blamed on the Natives.
WHAT?!? You're telling me that 9-11-01 was an INSIDE job??? And this whole time I believed that it was the doing of radical Muslim fundamentalist terrorists. Next you'll tell me that the tooth fairy and Santa Claus aren't real....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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Oh no, you have nothing to fear from Islamic radicals who hate the West.
Go back to sleep..........
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
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"WHAT?!? You're telling me that 9-11-01 was an INSIDE job??? And this whole time I believed that it was the doing of radical Muslim fundamentalist terrorists. Next you'll tell me that the tooth fairy and Santa Claus aren't real...."
I don't know...
So I ask questions..
Questions like: What happens when Area 51 is walked near? Driven near? Flown near?
Immediate stoppage, right? Immediate turning of flight, car, truck, or walkers.. all (I've heard, never tested myself) have been stopped, and turned back. With the exception of one (If you believe the joke).
So....
A place where who knows what goes on, has a ultra beefy security, has better security than the White House and the Pentagon? The national hub of all things military and security are centered?
I have to say, inside job sounds more likely than any other offered to me by national media. And given the tactics of the Bush administration.... With my rights being as stomped as they were....
I'd have to believe the inside job story.. or at the very least give it a second thought.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:13pm PT
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I'm not connecting your dots.
Are you saying 9-11 was run from Area 51 ?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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No.
Area 51 has security. In my mind, area 51 has less significance than The United States Pentagon... but only by a little....
So, how is it that an airplane could have been flown into the pentagon?
Air defense, the ones sent to scramble and knock down any threat of this type... they were where?
Right...
no where.
Just sayin'.
Chaz - not sure how you got there with that... just read what I had written.. nowhere saying 9/11 run from 51...
but go figure, huh?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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I have to say, inside job sounds more likely than any other offered to me by national media. And given the tactics of the Bush administration.... With my rights being as stomped as they were....
Ho, man, you ain't seen nothing yet! You probably think Obama and his cronies are different???
This is why why will fall, or rise.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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Blue - please restate this clearly "Ho, man, you ain't seen nothing yet! You probably think Obama and his cronies are different???
This is why why will fall, or rise. "
not exactly sure what you want to get across..
I am sure that you think you are right though.. so at least you got that goin for ya.
also.. bwahahahaahaha..
this is funny...
So, blue.. I take it you are on the side of the koran burners in Florida?
"Oh no, you have nothing to fear from Islamic radicals who hate the West."
I personally fear radical anyone's..... even you and your koran burnin' types
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Sep 12, 2010 - 04:11pm PT
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wow, this site is gettin' weird. and weirder.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 12, 2010 - 07:21pm PT
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you forgot slightly educated vs. completely ignorant....
dumb as rocks vs. halfway conscious .....
rich vs. poor (though.. this has been going on for all of time, hasn't it?)
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Sep 12, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
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I don't usually do more than pass over the debate threads but since the OP title pulled me in I read the whole thread.
I read a lot of history, and historically one thing is evident. Repetition. Tribe slaughtering tribe for one reason or another; sometimes simply for survival but usually the slaughter is based greed or fear of someone who believes different from themselves.
No doubt it will be repeated again and again until eventually through the technological advancement of weapons combined with the ignorance of the user all of humanity will be wiped out.
Jingy, you cracked me up with that last post.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 13, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
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yeah,
Skipt wrote (way back when) "To denigrate an entire religion is juvenile........"
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 13, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
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and to get back to the OP...
and that long-ace thing I posted on the OP topic....
I feel it kinda neat how a republican state can have so many of their ilk on welfare......
don't get me wrong.. there are plenty of folk that really need it...
But then there is that one religion that seems to thrive on state finding....
sort of... talking advantage (if you ask me, which.. no one did, so I leave it out there)
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 13, 2010 - 11:03pm PT
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plus....
we're quiet car people!!!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 14, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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a little footnote on geronimo. it seems prescott bush, father of george bush sr. and grandfather of george bush jr., dug up geronimo's grave and stole his skull as a member of the notorious skull and bones "secret society" at yale. geronimo's skull is still thought to be in the s&b headquarters, a windowless "tomb" on the yale campus, and there have been talks with the apache tribe to have it returned, although the first step seems to be admitting that it's really there.
skull and bones creeps seem to find their way into all sorts of dark power niches. in 2004, we had a choice of a democrat or a republican skull and bones creep--either way, they carried that election.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Sep 14, 2010 - 08:25am PT
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I’d recommend Massacre at Mountain Meadows by Ronald W. Walker, Richard E. Turley Jr., and Glen M. Leonard as the most thoroughly researched account of the massacre.
For an “cultist” expose and half-study, copies of Mr Krakauer’s book are available for 19 cents on Amazon.com. It does have a small admixture of history, ...isn’t authoritative relative to Mountain Meadows. But well worth 19 cents.
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