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BASE1361

climber

F*#k the LEO's

Aug 31, 2010 - 07:34pm PT

Tom.

We know each other. You just don't know me as BASE 1361 but I respect your views and your passions. Always enjoy the report.

You have some good points.

Getting fined for a violation is one thing. But if I get busted for BASE jumping in the park the fines are:

1. Confiscation of all gear forever. (cost alone of that with a WS = 5k+)
2. Jail time (need to talk to him about his time spent but I've heard of one jumper doing atleast one week)
3. Court Costs and fines, attorneys ect...(cost of that well over 2k+)
4. Banned from the park for a certain amount of time (I've heard anywhere from 6mo. to 1y)

SO...... almost 10k out the door in money alone, time in jail, a federal charge of a crime where there is no victim.

All this regardless of getting tasered.

So you can also imagine why it is such a trophy to catch a jumper.

graniteclimber

Trad climber

Nowhere

Aug 31, 2010 - 07:42pm PT

^^^^^^
So why not jump somewhere else where it is legal, or at least the consequences aren't as severe?

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:04pm PT

I would argue that anyone on the wall when that old bird flew to the deck was injured.

EMOTIONALLY INJURED

What a crap way to top out after seeing that. Just saying.

Bogus argument because it could be applied to deaths that happen from climbers falling. What if you witnessed that? Would you then ban climbing because it scarred someone? How about car accidents? Should we ban autos?

MTucker

Ice climber

Arizona

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:07pm PT

Throughout these threads THE KID and COZ it is apparent that they are very bitter from being busted 15 years ago.

I might have to read that article again.

Climbing 176

Will have to see if these comments of ground up big wall free climbing with a power drill stand up.

Bullwinkle

Boulder climber

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:10pm PT

Sliver you're clueless, I was there and spoke to people on the Wall at the time, you once again have no idea what you're talking about. As to base 666 we knew about him/it from the start, just another interweb troll. . .

BASE

Big Wall climber

Cali

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:13pm PT

Tom

You say you are a friend to Ammon and the monkeys but no friends of the monkeys would ever bash another monkey. Monkeys support each other through and through. In my opinion, you are no friend of Ammons.

BASE1361 – Im sure Ammon is reading all of this and appreciates your support greatly. This is a true friend of the monkeys. Oooaauuuhhh!

tomtom

Social climber

Seattle, Wa

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:23pm PT

You say you are a friend to Ammon and the monkeys but no friends of the monkeys would ever bash another monkey. Monkeys support each other through and through. In my opinion, you are no friend of Ammons.

Bunch of thin-skinned monkeys who can't take any criticism.

Gene

Social climber

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:28pm PT

Ammon got caught.

LEO got caught.

Internet wet dream.

Remember. You can only vote once for your favorite.

Time to sit back and see what "really" happened and monitor how the situation resolves.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Aug 31, 2010 - 08:48pm PT

Yes, we have now solved all of our problems in the US except for this one, basejumping, and you as#@&%e climbers. Once we, your overlords and the self appointed guardians of the Kings Forest get those MF basejumping bastards under control, we are coming after YOU.

To further the conversation:

Yes, I have been drinking.

No: I'm not LEO. Look up satire.

Yes, I do want to live free or die.

Yes, I'm highly concerned both with this deep creeping control which the federal government is continually exerting or trying to exert, and the cost both in real $$$, and psychically to society as a whole. My country is changing, and we are no longer free as we once were, and those joys are slowly disappearing one at a rationalized time one after another.

MTucker

Ice climber

Arizona

Aug 31, 2010 - 09:09pm PT

Hey Scotty, is this true?

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http://www.hardknocks.tv/

Click on the video link and .... "….NOT SCOTT BUT AND IDEA OF WHAT HE HAS CLIMBED AND TO WATCH"

Highlander

Big Wall climber

yosemite

Aug 31, 2010 - 09:13pm PT

I consider myself a friend of Ammons and have other friends that base jump in the park and support them in being able to use their National Park like every other user group. The question is, Does the punishment equel the crime? On the issue of Base, not even close.

On the issue of being a danger to others, a free soloist poses the same danger, and climbers are allowed to free solo. What if the NPS decided to ban free solo climbing for the same reason?

bestill

Trad climber

s. ca.

Aug 31, 2010 - 09:34pm PT

I would think that if it's thrills people crave, like say when they base jump adding the excitement of a chase and possible tasering would just add to the rush. So if you factor in those new thrills then what's the big deal.

BASE1361

climber

F*#k the LEO's

Aug 31, 2010 - 10:10pm PT

BASE..... what up dude. Good times

So.... another rant.

Do you think all the RV's (greyhound big bus motherfukers) that are parked in Curry Village get pounded on in the middle of the night?

No.

But if your car looks like a "climbers" vehicle it's going to get worked over for 3 hours regardless if you're in it or not. (I know because it happened to me. Assholes said they were going to finally tow it because food was inside. But knowing how much the LEO's are NAZI's I parked in such a way you never would get a tow truck into the area to tow shit) Me:1 Rangers 0

You can sleep ALL day long in your car, but you try to sleep in it at night the SS is coming after you.

How about this.... I know an actual LEO (ranger) just like one of the tOOLs who busted Ammon who is a jumper. Sh#t,.. he'll even jump the park he works in.

Now him and I have exchanged a few words due to the fact that he will also sit in the meadow and try to put a feather in his cap trying to bust the same people he jumps with. Sad.... very sad.
Needless to say... I don't and have never jumped with him, and most jumpers know who he is.

But how f*#ked up is that?? So the Park Service LEO's even jump in their own parks. They break the law..... since their LEO's lets tar and feather them.... then taser them. Sounds like a reasonable response???

People want to talk about breaking the law.... sh#t. We all speed, jaywalk and lie on our taxes.
Next...

Funny thing is and sad really.... regardless of their job/point of view... Ammon would risk his life to save anyone one of the LEO's in a dire situation. The LEO's would not do the same if it were Ammon. (even if they were out of uniform).

His character as a person speaks more volume than whatever rumors or reputation people think of him. Rumors and reputations are what others think, ones character is who they really are.

jstan

climber

Aug 31, 2010 - 10:32pm PT

BASE1361

climber
F*#k the LEO's

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
BASE..... what up dude. Good times

So.... another rant..............

People want to talk about breaking the law.... sh#t. We all speed, jaywalk and lie on our taxes.
Next...

End Excerpt....

Now that was well thought out

tom woods

Gym climber

Bishop, CA

Aug 31, 2010 - 10:40pm PT

It's a question that has gone on too long.

This is beyond Ammon.

I'm not anti LE, like a lot of folks are. I don't know what happened with Ammon, but from what I've seen, cops are there to enforce the law.

So that brings up the law. Something has got to change here.

People are going to jump- that is a given.

If it costs $5-10,000 to get caught, people are going to run from time to time. Another given.

Running is where many of the problems have occurred in recent years.

I've always thought that the BASE guys could jump one day month, like the hang gliders, or even one day a year like that bridge back east for a start.

The problem was that when the park service tried to wrap their hard to change minds around an option like this, there was a fatality on the demonstration/protest day.

That burned some bridges for the jumpers, though not neccesarily deservedly so. If she wasn't going to have her gear confiscated, would she have used her own, more familiar gear?

From a cold policy decision, forget the history of the protest which may not be relevant to the actual issue, something has to change.

Start with a lower penalty so people don't run. What's a speeding ticket- couple hundred bucks? You don't lose your car. Not a bad guideline.

Someday, maybe people can talk about a legal day and work from there. That has been tried before too, though.

Todd Eastman

climber

Bellingham, WA

Aug 31, 2010 - 10:52pm PT

Grow up and stop trying to stretch or break the rules in a heavily used and regulated piece of public land. The policy that comes out of these types of incidents usually results in stronger and more heavy handed treatment of the prohibited activities and those that feel obligated to be outlaws (and their friends). Feel tooled now? Just wait...

Thanks for kicking the bees nest!

jstan

climber

Aug 31, 2010 - 11:11pm PT

When a responsible authority finds they have poor cooperation from a group wanting to use the land to do A, it is a very human failing to start using the "book" when a person in another uncooperative group wants to do B.

Now there may well be need for a citizen initiative to review and modify LE modalities like tasers. But consider. During that initiative everyone is well served by following our laws as we pursue our rights. Few really listen to people in the clink. (People in the clink are there for a reason - right?) The crux is to get a lot of people listening.

The tone of these discussions is not going generate a wide following.

Todd has it right. You are kicking a bees' nest. This discussion may be as it is because some just enjoy kicking bees' nests.

Thinking it is an expression of power.

(Back of hand to forehead.)

Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber

Transporter Room 2

Aug 31, 2010 - 11:26pm PT

Critical Mass Jump.
Send off several BASErs...The Man will show. As they are fleeing, send ten, twenty more. Now send 50 more. Now More. Do it again. Again. Swamp the bastards in their own inadequacies.
After a while, they'll have had enough. No one can know how long that will be. Take volunteers. I'll go.
Critical Mass.