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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 21, 2010 - 04:40pm PT
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There they are! VVVRRROooooooommmmmm!!! Sorry, maybe I should have linked the jets to his page when I mentioned them earlier.
edit: One thing is certain... McCain was a pilot. Can't argue with that. BTW, he served on the same Aircraft Carrier that my dad did - USS Forrestal.
double edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Forrestal_%28CV-59%29
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 21, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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Sunshinesmile
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 21, 2010 - 04:46pm PT
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Don't think they would let him fly if he was piss poor... but then again maybe that is why he stopped flying.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 21, 2010 - 04:57pm PT
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Dr F writes:
"Please post one thing that Republicans have done good in the last 30 years"
What makes you think the Republicans have any answers?
Government - at all levels - does NOT have your best intrests at heart, and they haven't for as long as anyone can remember.
Government's only tool is force and coercion. Nobody wants to be on the recieving end of that.
And there is certainly something seriously wrong with those who want to bully others.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 21, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
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I bet Crimp's Dad was a better pilot....
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Daniel Eubank
Sport climber
Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2010 - 05:06pm PT
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Once upon a time the government had a vast scrap yard in the middle of
A desert. Congress said, "someone may steal from it at night.." So they
created a night watchman position and hired a person for the job..
Then Congress said, "How does the watchman do his job without
instruction?" So they created a planning department and hired two
people, one person to write the instructions, and one person to do time
studies.
Then Congress said, "How will we know the night watchman is doing
The tasks correctly?" So they created a Quality Control department and
hired two people. One to do the studies and one to write the reports.
Then Congress said, "How are these people going to get paid?" So
They created the following positions, a time keeper, and a payroll
officer, then hired two people.
Then Congress said, "Who will be accountable for all of these
people?" So they created an administrative section and hired three
people, an Administrative Officer, Assistant Administrative Officer, and a
Legal Secretary.
Then Congress said, "We have had this command in operation for one
Year and we are $18,000 over budget, we must cutback overall cost."
So they laid off the night watchman.
NOW slowly.
Let it sink in.
Quietly, we go like sheep to slaughter.
Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY .... During the Carter Administration ?
Anybody?
Anything?
No?
Didn't think so!
Bottom line. We've spent several hundred billion dollars in support of
An agency ... the reason for which not one person who reads this can
remember!
Ready?? It was very simple ... and, at the time, everybody thought it
Very appropriate.
The Department of Energy was instituted on 8-04-1977. TO LESSEN OUR
DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.
Hey, pretty efficient, huh???
AND, NOW, IT'S 2010 -- 33 YEARS LATER -- AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS
"NECESSARY" DEPARTMENT IS AT $24.2 BILLION A YEAR.
THEY HAVE 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES; AND, LOOK AT THE JOB THEY HAVE DONE!
THIS IS WHERE YOU SLAP YOUR FOREHEAD AND SAY, "WHAT WAS I THINKING?"
Ah, yes -- That good ole bureaucracy.
And, NOW, we are going to turn the banking system, HEALTH CARE and the
Auto industry over to the Government?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
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Dr F,
Perhaps you like being intimidated by force into doing things you would rather not do. If so, you're in the minority.
The Democrats are the target of scorn today because they are the ones in control.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
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You are correct! My dad was a great pilot. He has since stopped flying at all (health issues).
My dad has old 8mm film from his time on the aircraft carrier. I LOVE to watch those. They are primarily during time in the Mediterranean. Cool beans!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
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McCain was a good pilot?
Hardly.
From factcheck.org
We have had numerous questions about this widely circulated claim. Some say McCain "lost" five planes, others that he "crashed" five planes. All offer this alleged "fact" as evidence that he was a bad pilot. All are incorrect.
McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them. One crash was found to be be McCain's fault, the other due to an engine failure of undetermined cause.. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when a missile fired accidentally from another plane hit either the plane next to McCain's or, less likely, his own aircraft, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi.
A fifth alleged "crash" turns out to be a misinterpretation of a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. McCain admitted to causing that incident through "daredevil clowning" but returned safely.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:16pm PT
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Haha!
I like this Daniel guy...
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
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Very good analogy Eubank,
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:28pm PT
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Whoa. I thought it was 2010.
edit: This made sense before a prior post was edited.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 21, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
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//The Department of Energy was instituted on 8-04-1977. TO LESSEN OUR
DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.
Hey, pretty efficient, huh???//
Wow, that's some painful logic. Actually, I take that back. That is no logic.
To be frank, I'm not sure what exactly your point was re the Dept. of Energy. I understand that some of it was irony at government bureaucracy. However, if it was to chastise the Dems, you kind of stuck your foot in your mouth.
While clearly this country is way too hungry for oil, the Repubs are the biggest reason why the country has failed to take any substantive action on limiting its oil dependence or consumption.
You're old enough to remember Jimmy Carter running for a second term against Reagan. Jimmy made a long impassioned speech about the country's dependence on foreign oil and its need to find alternative sources of energy. Reagan's response? "It's morning in America." Everything's great. This is a great country. Let's not engage in any introspection or change or austerity but, on the contrary, plow ahead as if there's no problem. One of Reagan's first acts when moving into the White House was to remove the solar panels that Jimmy Carter installed.
I can see this thread isn't going to make any new converts.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 21, 2010 - 06:32pm PT
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That video is awesome!!!
Watch the guy's facial expressions when he's pulling G's. And that takeoff!
Badass!!!!!!!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Jul 21, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
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I like the night watchman story on the previous page. It sounds pretty true.
On the other hand a Republican administration would have outsourced the night watchman position to a company like Blackwater and we would have paid the same dear price on the justification the the money would trickle down into the economy of "the people."
If anarchists were running the country, opportunists would have stolen the junk and recycled into useful products providing jobs, products and income from waste.
If we were a monarchy, like ancient Rome under Caesar, the junkyard may or may not be guarded but there would plenty of money because we would busy owning conquered territories like Germany & Japan, taxing their asses off, and seizing unconditional control of countries that piss us off like Afganistan & Iraq.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 21, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
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It is each individual STATE that determines if the Pledge should be said
in PUBLIC schools, not an individual school, or the students, making that decision.
From Wikipedia, to clarify:
Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an oath of loyalty to the national flag and the republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Francis Bellamy in 1892. The Pledge has been modified four times since then, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.
The Pledge is predominantly sworn by children in public schools in response to state laws requiring the Pledge to be offered.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 21, 2010 - 07:04pm PT
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Repugnican credo:
1) Repeat lies over and over until the brainless Repug droids believe and regurgitate them.
2) When in doubt, lie some more. (See 'The Big Lie')
3) Distract the attentions of the masses with any shiny thing you can find.
4) If there are any waivering droids, repeat Rule #1.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 21, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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Why are there braille dots on the drive-thru ATM?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 21, 2010 - 07:16pm PT
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On the other hand a Republican administration would have outsourced the night watchman position to a company like Blackwater and we would have paid the same dear price on the justification the the money would trickle down into the economy of "the people."
If anarchists were running the country, opportunists would have stolen the junk and recycled into useful products providing jobs, products and income from waste.
If we were a monarchy, like ancient Rome under Caesar, the junkyard may or may not be guarded but there would plenty of money because we would busy owning conquered territories like Germany & Japan, taxing their asses off, and seizing unconditional control of countries that piss us off like Afganistan & Iraq.
I wonder what it would be like under an independent conservative?
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