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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Jul 14, 2010 - 03:55pm PT
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thanks for setting an excellent example. i try my best to be aware of where i piss, bit a have yet to pack it out on a wall. the bar has been set though, and i will pack out my pee next time i get up there.
unfortunately there are a lot of people who can't even get a few feet from the base to piss...and will the boys stop pissing in overhangs...
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apogee
climber
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Jul 14, 2010 - 04:03pm PT
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Urine is harmless when it's in your body...once it exits, it's a great place for bacteria breeding. It's not only an aesthetic concern, it's a health hazard when there's enough of it concentrated in one area.
To the OP's point, if we could all just keep it contained somehow, it would much less of a problem, aesthetically and otherwise.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 14, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
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It's a fine inspiration and the time has come on many routes at least.
At a very minimum, pee in a gatorade bottle and pour out off the ledge in an appropriate direction and manner. (away from the route and climbers) That's pretty minimum. I carry a small gatorade (wide mouth bottles) on long aid leads/long belays.
Often it's really necessary to haul the pee up or at least to a better place up the route. It's only a bit more of similar hauling and it can be poured out on top. Isn't that worth it not to sleep in sewers?
Thanks for stepping up with this one. I promise to ratchet up the effort even if I don't always meet the ideal
Peace
Karl
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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One evening on Tribal Rite, I felt the need so I was getting my knees onto the edge of my ledge, I was just about ready to let fly when I looked down about 400 feet to two guys on El Cap Tower, laying on their backs, in their sleeping bags, looking up at me. There was no way I could do it! I grabbed my "night bottle" and went in there.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Jul 14, 2010 - 06:02pm PT
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Hey, Mark, I wonder if those guys were sayin',"I bet that guy is gonna piss on us", eh?
Good on ya, man.
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Jul 14, 2010 - 06:59pm PT
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given the traffic on the walls these days,
this seems like the next step in wall standards..
I'll get Metolius to build the big wall piss keg!
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Fogarty
climber
BITD
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Jul 14, 2010 - 08:26pm PT
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Mark Great Quote
El Cap deserves it!
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Volcanic Mud Flow
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Jul 14, 2010 - 08:28pm PT
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Ah the smell of fresh piss on orange granite ... it just takes me right there!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2010 - 08:59pm PT
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given the traffic on the walls these days,
this seems like the next step in wall standards..
That's my point, Kurt. I need well respected guys like you to get on board and advocate it with me.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 14, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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Take "the road lest travelled by." It's also the one less pissed on.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jul 14, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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I had a rattlesnake jump dive past my shoulder at TLC recently. I was almost to the anchors and something fell right past me to a bush, I thought it was a branch at first, startled me, and I looked down and it was a big rattler I had surprised which had been sunning itself on a small ledge as am I came up. It was moving around, getting all agressive at me. I could hardly thread the anchors my hands were shaking but I talked to it calmly and it settled down, and I slowly lowered off past it. My question is this: Should I carry a piss bottle in the future at all times, or is this an acceptable situation for spontaneously urinating on the rock as I wet myself?
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Loomis
climber
*_*
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Jul 14, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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Fogarty, remember what happened up on the Prow so many years ago, when we were below Vaino and Diana Kodas? I remember as we settled in for the evening in our ledges, Diana cut loose, our ledges becoming the shelter from the "storm" :-)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 15, 2010 - 12:01am PT
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doing his best to keep it in a crack (take that you free climbing monkeys!
that's the problem. you don't pee in a crack or on a ledge. if you can't pee away from the rock you pee on an open face away from the route where it can evaporate. if people don't even know that how can you hope they are going to haul it?
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John Fine
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 15, 2010 - 01:49pm PT
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After the experience hauling liquid waste last year with Mark, I'm a believer. It was easy.
I'm looking forward to the pleasure of cleaner and cleaner bivvies as the years go by.
We can make it happen!
-John
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. -Tennyson
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Jul 15, 2010 - 02:38pm PT
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"that's the problem. you don't pee in a crack or on a ledge. if you can't pee away from the rock you pee on an open face away from the route where it can evaporate. if people don't even know that how can you hope they are going to haul it?"
I agree, just relaying the story. I busted up watching the poor tethered bastard get owned by his partner...
On the Prow was hauled most of the liquid waste (and peed away from the route when we didn't). On Leaning Tower it is pretty easy to pee into space. Mideast Crisis was another that was overhung enough that I wasn't worried about it.
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jsb
Trad climber
Bay area
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Jul 15, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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Personally, I think peeing on the captain is not a big deal! Urine is more than 95% water, and what's left is mostly salt, potassium, and urea (a harmless chemical).
The smell, by the way, comes from the urea breaking down into ammonia. If you pee out onto an open face or away from the rock, I'm guessing this process will happen more quickly and any signs of "passage" will be gone in a day or so.
If you're pee-ing in the cracks behind your belay ledge, then god help us all.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 15, 2010 - 04:05pm PT
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Carry a supply of Depends...
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Jul 15, 2010 - 06:02pm PT
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Ain't mine....must be urine.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jul 16, 2010 - 09:42am PT
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Bwahahah too funny, this actually got me thinking about Arrakis....stillsuits are so 2020. Integrate with a FishProds® ® ® rack ftw...
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Elvis Leg
Trad climber
Dallas, TX
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Jul 16, 2010 - 10:04am PT
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I for one would definately enjoy pee free belays. On my first wall, of what sadly is only a few, I managed a feat that few have repeated. I peed on my partner with someone else's pee!!
Arriving at the first ledge low on the south face of the column I found a gallon jug half full of what was definately not all water. Feeling like i hadn't hugged enough trees lately I decided I should help said jug find the dumpster. I didn't want to carry the half gallon of suspect liquid inside. So being my first wall and all I thought I would just dump it out right then and there. Well no sooner had I started pouring than the updrafts all you more seasoned wall rats are familiar with took over and liberaly sprayed my partner with the contents of the jug. Thus I peed on my partner with someone else's pee.
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