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thordriver
Trad climber
Norcal
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2010 - 08:34pm PT
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Understandably, it is hard to believe this sort of thing is true. The events are real and there is a clear good and evil happening here. The situation has apparently happened before and he has lived a carefree and deceitful lifestyle (on our good faith) for many years.
I do not wish to have this negativity around me but Jason must be stopped and his ways punished; he preys on the kindness and generosity and trust found in the climbing community.
As someone posted, the case is there and any info you have to share with Placer County Sheriff may help keep us safe. Send me a message if you have info as well.
A picture of Jason is attached...
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habitat
climber
grass pass
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Reminds me of an experience I had BITD. I had two male roommates (one was my boyfriend) - we were all in college then, and sharing a dinky little apartment. One day the roommates met a guy at our local crag. He was sort of the "lost dog" kinda person and they felt sorry for him and brought him home. Maybe it was my woman's intuition or something, but I could tell right away this guy was bad news. Normally I love climbers, and houseguests, but I did not like this guy at all, from the get-go. I could tell he was a scam artist and just looking for the next opportunity, whatever that might be.
Anyway, he ended up staying with us for a month. He had no money and I came to doubt he was even a climber - at least by our standards - I think he had just sort of latched onto the climbing scene somehow. He kept saying he was going to leave as soon as some relative (from Florida, of course, where all climbers hail from) sent him some money. Of course the money never came.
I was getting really creeped out, and tried to convince the roommates that this guy was trouble. They still thought the guy was really nice and just needed a break - he was sort of charming, but in a disturbing way, I thought. I was getting in a bad way about it, getting really nervous. Finally they started to feel it too, and came to agree with me that the guy was not even really a climber, and they gave him a departure date. Miraculously, the money came through just in time. You can be sure we were all there when he finally packed his bag and left. Even the guys were totally creeped out by now. Thank god they had some serious muscle on them to back up their assertion that it was time for him to go.
I was so relieved. But still creeped out, just knowing this guy had our whole scene pretty dialed by then.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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To all-
I thought about making this post for several days, and finally decided to share my experience here.
I know that most climbers have "lots of heart," and are more than willing to give some fellow cliomber a "hand up" and not necessarily a "hand out."
Several years ago in Colorado, I was called to jury duty in Adams County (I was living in Thornton at the time).
To summarize the case, it was actually a sanity hearing for a murder case to determine if the perp was sane to stand trial for Murder 1.
Details of the offenses: The perp and his GF had met the victim at a temporary work agency that specialized in "day labor" unloading trucks, digging up sewer lines, etc. The victim heard the perp(s) story (stories) about how they were living in a homeless shelter and invited them to stay in his mobile home while they accumulated some cash by working. He and perp 1 (the male) had been hired to work for several days at the same job.
The victim offered great and very kind hospitality: bed, food, some booze, and some weed. One night after the victim went to bed after drinking and getting stoned, the perp stole into the bedroom and cut his host's throat, stabbing him 76 times in the process. The perp and GF then stole everything, including the car, some cash, credit card, and fled to Nebraska where they were apprehended for using a bad credit card. The GF then proceeded to wipe down the interior of the trailer with butter on a rag to eliminate fingerprints. We the jury, heard the complete confession that was tape recorded--and sat there stunned at the callous manner of the crime. Repayment for kindness.
The perp is still in Canyon City, by the way, doing a life sentence for Murder 1. His GF, who WAS nuts--is in the Colorado State Hospital as criminally insane. Turned out that she instigated the entire affair.
Moral of story: Know who you are inviting into your home. There are lots of psychos and con artists out there.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Thats a scary story, Broke
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
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Someone just deleted a post that matched the op's story almost word for word. Same person four years ago.
Erik
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Port-
That happened over 30 years ago and I still have occasional bad dreams about that confession. I was foreman of the jury, and we all voted him sane to stand trial.
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Footloose
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
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Yeah, Labrat, I saw it, too.
Now deleted. The name was Diggs.
From "Bozeman". One post. Something smells
fishy.
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Apolobamba
Trad climber
Boise, ID
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This is a sad but true story. Thank you for warning our community about Jason. He most likely has and will prey on more kind hearted people. Like the chipmunk at 90 foot wall, he knows were to get more.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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I opened my house and life to the climbing community/world for about 30 years;....mi casa es tu casa;.......and, for the most part, people in general were more than kind, helpful, considerate, and awesome. There were a few glitches here and there, but overall;...the guests at the Gordon Ranch were awesome, friendly, cool, and pretty much wonderful. When I hear stories such as this;...it's too bad;....hope it doesn't scare too many people away from sharing, communing, and hooking up. I meet so many cool people from opening my house;...friends that opened up THEIR lives and houses for me and my friends in return...all over the world. Now, more than ever, ..we all need to work together , share what we have, and drink a coke together......but still safeguarding ourselves from the creepies, hurters, and psychos......it's a slippery slope for sure...
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Did you post this to other climbing sites?
There are a lot of them.
Sorry if I missed it that you already have.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Innocent until proven guilt
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
Arkansas, I suppose
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Well, I'll keep an eye out in Arkansas while I'm here, and definitely won't let this cat in my house.
Sorry you got burned for trusting; it's happened to me too.
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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This is a horrible story, but I have to agree with Todd's above post.
For many years I lived in my car and shared other peoples homes across the country, when I lived over seas families took my in everywhere I went. The people I met and the times we shared have made my life worth living. Sure there were people along the way that never opened their homes, but thank goodness there were so many that did. Now I have a home worth sharing and have done so a few times. I get nervous because I have a wife and daughter so we share our sh#t detectors and so far so good. Years ago when I was running Nomads in Idyllwild I fell victim to a well know crook from the valley. He got me good and after he was gone I learned about his history, but again I'm not sure that it would be worth shutting all my doors to miss out on the good stuff.
I preface this all with the knowledge that I have been lucky that I and my family have never been hurt. I joined an on-line group that shares homes with cyclists on the road. This summer I will use it on my ride. After I joined I got an email from a man in China, he and three friends are cycling around the world, they are all in their 60's and will be in Joshua tree in September. I am really looking forward to meeting them.
I am very sorry for the OP, but I hope he still will have the open heart that got him in this trouble and that they catch the couple that harmed him.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Good Tanslacks and I too am really grateful for all the generosity I received here and in Europe as well. Tons of it, you know.
But let's remember that people get ripped off in ALL kinds of circumstances, not just ones where they are hosting an unknown guest. You can get screwed every which way to Sunday.
Ending one's generosity wouldn't really stop much. The crappy pressure is still there in most cracks and crannies, you know. It is at the market, at the corner, at the gas station, at the cafe, on a climbing trip, on an airplane, at a government office or the cellphone company, walking down the street, on a bus---it has always been and always will be. And of course we hate this but it is as much a part of human experience as our various ecstasies and joys. I guess a big key is choosing each step with a clear mind and strong powers of intuition.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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It's nice to know that most members of this climbing community have big and generous hearts.
My personal experience as a juror, described earlier, has tempered that generosity with a large dollop of caution. Even though I would always like to help someone in desperate measures, the safety of my family members ALWAYS comes first.
No one gets the keys to my house. No house guests for long time periods other than those I have known FOR YEARS! If somebody really needs a flop, I've got a bunkhouse on the ranch. Some food? No problem. A ride somewhere nearby? Ditto my food answer. I just don't feel comfortable letting a near stranger "move in."
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Stage a fake climbing contest with handcuffs behind the crux moves..book the hosehead...RJ
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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"Now deleted. The name was Diggs.
From "Bozeman". One post. Something smells
fishy."
You gotta watch those sneaky climbers from Bozeman ;-)
...local "dig" there, nothing personal and JKA
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Diggs
Trad climber
Bozeman
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Everyone,
I sh#t you not, Jason Ruble robbed me and two of my friends blind under very similar circumstances to Thordriver (in Bozeman, MT in the spring of 2006). I posted this earlier, but deleted it until a little follow up occurred. I don't know Thordriver at all, and it is only a random occurrence I came across this post. I filed a police report, i'm not sure if they have a warrant out or not. When I filed the report, I found out Jason was wanted in several other states for similar actions.
Thordriver is right to post this. This guy set me and my friends back upwards of $3,000 and he has no inclination to stop his behavior. He stayed at our house for over a month, ate our food, used our gear, and slept on our couch before he disappeared one day with a ton of climbing equipment, gear, and values.
I think this is something much bigger than a random as#@&%e screwing people. Bringing awareness to this is not being vindictive, because it appears that Jason is still stealing from climbers and has done so many times in the past. Jason has evidently screwed a lot of people, and there needs to be awareness in the climbing community about his deceptive and abhorrent behavior.
Diggs
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AbeFrohman
Trad climber
new york, NY
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That sucks.
But Diggs, why did you delete your post?
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