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Ezra
Social climber
WA, NC, Idaho Falls
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Jun 11, 2010 - 04:44pm PT
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The flu vaccine, has mind control devices. Of course placed by the Obama administration!
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jun 11, 2010 - 04:45pm PT
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The details of how this disaster unfolded are very technical. If you're not familiar with state-of-the-art oil well drilling technology, then it is almost impossible to understand all the factors involved and the sequence of events that lead up to the disaster. Especially now that the talking heads on both ends of the political spectrum have suddenly become "experts." They are mostly unintentionally spreading what amounts to disinformation because they repeat or rephrase things they don't understand. Some of these talking heads are biased and are intentionally bending the facts.
Private industry is to blame, especially BP, because they are greedy and profit-driven at the expense of safety to humans & the environment; the government is also partially to blame because of lack of regulatory oversight mainly by the MMMS, and Americans are partially to blame because they don't want to face the consequences of over-dependence on hydrocarbon-based energy and for allowing the Republicans to steal the 1st election of Bush & Cheney & then electing these two oil industry corporate whores for a 2nd term.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jun 11, 2010 - 05:07pm PT
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^^^^
Now that we know who's to blame, anyone got a solution?
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jun 11, 2010 - 05:23pm PT
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How about the Milo Minderbinder method?
The stuff looks pretty good- has anyone tried it on ice cream?
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jun 11, 2010 - 05:31pm PT
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OK, here are a few suggestions...Individuals can start by assessing the magnitude of their own carbon footprint and making lifestyle changes to reduce it like carpooling to work, buying fuel-efficient vehicles, using public transportation, being energy efficient in the home, educating their children about these issues, supporting political candidates who are committed to reducing America's dependence on hydrocarbon-based energy, buying locally-grown produce, etc.
For large scale electricity generation, nuclear energy is going to have to be part of the mix and the use of Yucca Mountain as a nuclear waste repository.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 11, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
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Quote Stzzo: "Anyone can see it's a result of gravitational tides shifted by the giant ark on the moon."
Actually it that giant cyborg SHARK on the moon that is the cause of all of this. It's been eating up all the satellites and replacing all transmissions with it's own nefarious subliminal messages. Sharkbot hides out on the dark side sending it's robot drones down here to disrupt our oil industry so that massive worldwide panic will occur once the industry falls.
You did get the gravitational tide part right. The alien shark has been subtly pushing our moon out of orbit to disrupt our oceans causing further panic and hysteria.
President Obama is totally on board BTW and everyone in Washington DC is in league with the alien shark too.
Society will crumble.
Dogs and cats- living together- mass hysteria.
Then the cyborg sharks can swoop in and enslave us all. We're all just bait. Everyone run for the hills.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Jun 11, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
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I'm sure all of you have heard this joke before.
The Plan
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In the beginning was the Plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And the Plan was without substance.
And darkness was upon the face of the Workers.
And they spoke among themselves, saying,
"It is a crock of sh*t, and it stinks."
And the Workers went unto their Supervisors and said,
"It is a pail of dung, and we can't live with the smell.
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying,
"It is the container of the excrements, and it is very strong,
such that none may abide by it."
And the Mangers went unto their Directors, saying,
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength."
And the Directors spoke among themselves, saying to one another,
"It promotes growth, and it is very powerful."
And the Vice Presidents went to the President, saying unto him,
"This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor of the company
with very powerful effects."
And the President looked upon the Plan and saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
And that is how sh*t happens.
Well, it explains how these sorts of catastrophes happen. With all the layers upon layers of management. The guys at the top never understand what's really going on at the bottom. All they know is the money is going into a hole and they push and they push until sh#t happens.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 11, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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Quote RLF "You're always welcome to share my [puke] bucket... "
*(blushing)*
Keep sweet talking me like that and your wife is going to show up here and kick my ass. ;)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jun 11, 2010 - 10:17pm PT
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"Keep sweet talking me like that and your wife is going to show up here and kick my ass. ;)"
Naw, don't worry about it. She know's exactly where to direct her anger.
Me.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jun 11, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
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Nice graphic cintune . . . the Mariana Trench dive was/is quite a feat. Seems like they could have manned submersibles going to the well head instead of the robotics. The Titanic wreckage is over twice as deep as the Macando site and it has been accessed in person.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 12, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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It must be horrible living one's life in fear of an all-powerful bogeyman.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 12, 2010 - 01:24am PT
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How is it that my ST name shows up even when I'm not here?
Port, do you have a life? Stop looking at all the Catholic Nun porn and you'll have more time.
I do not know anything about what the original post and the author NWO is talking about. But I am willing to look into it without making judgement. How is it that you guys just read something, hear something and your immediate knee-jerk reactions are immediately "nutjob," "wacko" or worse.
Look into things before making judgements. I'm not saying this is real, it could be all imagination, but at least look into it. Before making an intelligent decision, you have to look at all sides and all the evidence. Why are you so biased one way or the other?
Are these aquisations true that the OP discussed? I do not know. Do you?
You have 3 possibilities, the Gulf Oil disaster was either an accident, or it was done on purpose, or it was done on purpose but made to look like an accident. You have to look at all the possibilites. If you don't then you are ignorant.
Follow the money.
My gut reaction is that it was an accident. But after 9-11 I'm much more synical. False-flag ops do indeed occur and have been for a very long time, and "They" are getting more brazen and evil as time goes on.
A very good book, believe it or not, I highly recommend is Jesse Ventura's new book American Conspiracies. Before I bought it and read it, I thought it would be pretty light-weight and not very well written.
It is very well written and footnoted and a great resource to many other excellent more in depth resources. I have learned a great deal, and I thought I was pretty well versed in "the big conspiracies." Not. Jesse has written a great book. He is far more brilliant than people know. He is also incredibly brave.
American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies, and More Dirty Lies that the Government Tells Us [Hardcover] Jesse Ventura (Author), (Dick Russell (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/American-Conspiracies-Dirty-Government-Tells/dp/160239802X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276319399&sr=8-1
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:18am PT
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interesting on the technology of it, TT.
i was a news reporter by trade for 10 years. i know what used to happen if you weren't sure of your facts. times have changed.
and i must add my voice to that of the OP, at least on the facts of 9/11. anyone who thinks the government wasn't involved simply hasn't looked at it. i've published on this subject and i'm intimately familiar with the facts involved. the leading writer on 9/11 truth is none other than david ray griffin, whom largo had for a professor at claremont school of theology. the man is a master logician. he's also passionate about the truth and has written 4-5 books on the subject over the last few years.
i suggest that the pukeheads here do just a little public interest research instead of taking what is spoonfed to the public. i can tell you one thing about the media. honest, courageous, passionate reporters can't get on big newspapers and television, but they do have very interesting private web pages. you are the ultimate judge of what's true. don't take my word for it, but don't take cnn's either.
more than 1,000 professional certified architects and engineers have signed onto the petition for investigation of the use of controlled demolition on world trade center buildings 1, 2 and 7. like you and i, most of them accepted what they were told at first. but then they looked at the facts. the web page on that one is architects and engineers for 9/11 truth. i chaired their writing team for a year.
TT, i just looked at a little documentary called who killed the electric car? i was involved in researching and promoting alternative transportation technology for several years in the late 1980s. the technology for clean air has been there for a long time. if people can't see the heavy hand of corrupt government and industry keeping it off the market--well, that's enough to make me puke.
glad to see klimmer here. we can't agree on religion, but we agree on conspiracies. and for everyone's information, a lot of it isn't theoretical any more. "conspiracy theory" is a phrase which appeared shortly after the kennedy assassination, when many, many people began to understand that the "facts" being presented weren't jibing. and it has been used ever since to shout down disturbing inquiry and dissent. don't think kennedy was killed by the government? according to recent polls, you are in the minority.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jun 12, 2010 - 12:11pm PT
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Dude: if you think the Maconda well blow out in the GOM was pre-meditated and intentional you are seriously delusional. Such claims erode your credibility. There's nothing in those articles you posted that proves anything.
And if you think 9/11 was an inside job, you obviously haven't seen this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_tv7t79WY
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Jun 12, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
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TT is pretty much right on the money except for the greed and human safety thing.
Those big companies are serious about safety. You can't get near the rig without following the rules. Take off your safety glasses and you might get fired on the spot.
And greed. Just go buy some oil stocks if you think it is so great. When oil prices are up, lots of money to be made. But when it craters, it is bloodshed involving huge layoffs of brainpower. I have seen this over and over.
So most oil companies are not any more evil than other businesses. It is very cyclical, and OPEC is the one that has the share of production that can control price...at the moment.
And there is no conspiracy here. It was a chain of bad decisions that are on BP's back. A 200 million dollar ultr-deep water well is now a liability that will probably go to 20 Billion. And 11 lives were lost.
And I am no Rush loving pubbie. I have no axe to grind.
As for media reporting, it is awful on the technical side. There are experts and reporters, but they don't even grasp the basics of pressure. That kind of makes me wonder how bad they get everything else that I am not knowledgable about. Fox, CNN, etc. They are all pretty poor at the technical side, while reporting on it half the day.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Jun 12, 2010 - 12:20pm PT
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Oh...and the idea that it is an inside job is pretty nutty. First you would have to ask yourself who this would hurt and who it would help.
It is a problem for Obama. And as far as I can tell, he has been on top of this since day 1. The scale is just impossible to control.
So maybe Glenn Beck had something to do with it. But honestly, probably not.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jun 12, 2010 - 01:04pm PT
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BASE104: you know the oil patch but, unfortunately, most Americans don't. They think oil=gas comes out of the spout at the gas station pump. They have no idea about the technology or risks involved in exploring for these resources. Just like in coal mining and our troops overseas, individuals put their lives on the line every day to produce resources that Americans take for granted. We all have oil on our hands here because we are reluctant to face the realities of our comfortable life style.
I spent one week/month on offshore rigs in the Santa Barbara Channel & off Pt Conception & Arguello from 1980-90. I agree that, for the most part, human safety was the highest priority. During my time offshore, there was only 1 incident when we manned the life boats and were about to hit the blind rams. We were drilling adjacent to the SB Channel shipping lane and a Japanese oil tanker was headed right for us. Attempts to raise anyone on the bridge failed. I was in 1 of those life boats with a bunch of others ready to abandon the rig. For about 1/2 hour there I thought I was in a communal coffin and we were all going to die. Fortunately, they finally raised someone on the tanker bridge that changed course in time to avoid our location. A lot has changed since I was sitting wells offshore. Wells are being drilled in much deeper water and to deeper depths, so the risks of accessing deep water oil is substantially greater than when I was out there. But when you review the data on the Maconda well and realize all the obvious indicators that they were losing control of the well it's astonishing. As the information surrounding this incident unfolds I'm stunned at the series of disastrous decisions that were made. Any single one of these incidents (e.g. rubber chunks in the drill mud) should have been enough to investigate the problem and fix it before continuing. The decision to change over from heavy mud to seaH20 at that point in time is criminal. BOPs make offshore drilling safe only if they are maintained properly and tested regularly to verify they are operational. So IMHO these add up to a culture at BP of complacency and arrogance (i.e., profit=greed >> just about everything else).
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krahmes
Social climber
LP
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Jun 12, 2010 - 02:41pm PT
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Of all the stupidity I read about the DeepWater Horizon blowout: This takes the cake – though the nuke option is a close second. As a point of clarification; I worked from 2002 to 2006 in the deepwater of the GOM, including a discovery well in the Mississippi Canyon block (not with BP). Huge oil wells are a bitch and if I never work another subsalt GOM play; I’ll be ok with that. In that time frame every well I work ended up on the choke at some point. What happened to the DeepWater Horizon is the demon that lurked while we drilled those well.
The final write up is this tragedy will come with time, but the series of botches, mistakes and miscues culminated with the decision to displace the riser with seawater, with only one cement plug 3000’ below the mud line. I don’t think you’d understand why this catastrophe affected me so much, but my emotional state was a bit of the there but for the grace of god (if your atheist you can think of that as metaphor) go I.
Get a life. You are utterly and completely wrong about this assertion; you might take a pause and reflect where else your beliefs might be wrong.
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