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apogee
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May 26, 2010 - 01:54pm PT
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Korean, huh? (Perhaps) another example of differing cultural attitudes towards 'wilderness'. Remember the Korean Alpine Club mass group size episode(s) at Tahquitz/Suicide?
Not picking on Koreans, but there are distinct differences in what is considered acceptable or appropriate use of the wilderness from culture to culture. Here in the US, we tend to find such scribing on a natural feature horribly unacceptable (unless it involves carving presidential faces or tunnels), yet in other parts of the world it is commonplace and honorable.
Though unacceptable in my book, I might be able to understand how someone from a different culture, ignorant of what the US cultural norms around wilderness use, might do something like that to honor someone else. (That is, assuming it's a memorial.) I'd really prefer to not see it happen again, however.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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May 26, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
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A Korean friend of mine says it's a sort of "RIP Memorial" with the names of two men.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 26, 2010 - 02:40pm PT
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In 500 years, it'll be considered "ancient rock art", and it will be used as an excuse to shut down Z.M.
This is how it starts.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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May 26, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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I think the first Yosemite climber graffiti must be Klemens' inscription at the top of the Towers of Geek, namely "GEEK". He thought it was incredibly funny and shared his tale with everyone for months. It was in 1971 when they did the first of the three routes. It was the lousy route actually comparatively and Mark was kind of disgusted with it.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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May 26, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
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Memorial isn't as bad as "Joe loves Susie." I can actually respect a memorial even though I would highly prefer it somewhere else.
AFS
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Sebastopol, CA
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May 26, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
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For the sake of argument, what kind of character is this?
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 26, 2010 - 04:04pm PT
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The route Fred Rasmusson at City of Rocks takes it's name from some really old graffiti at the base of the route. Apparently it was written in axle grease who knows when, a long time ago and by a member of a wagon train.
This brings up an interesting discussion that I've contemplated much. Is a date cutoff simply enough to determine whether something is culturally significant or just garbage?
In Alaska there is a lot of mining garbage (yes it's garbage) that cannot be touched due to its "cultural significance". I can't help but believe there is a difference between something like the Kenicott structures and a mound of trashed steel cable, tin cans and other rubble. Kenicott well deserves to be protected and maybe even preserved. But a pile of mining related trash?
http://pix.alaporte.net/pub/d/19086-1/Abandoned+Kennicott+Buildings+-pp+HeloCam.JPG
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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May 26, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
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vs.
vs.
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j-tree
Trad climber
bay area, ca
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May 26, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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not off but beside topic,
I remember seeing a large graffitied name on the backside of Sugarloaf a month ago (at the high point of pony express before it starts going down the backside) each letter was 1-2 feet in height and was someone's name. I took pictures but ended up deleting them because it just pissed me off. oh well. back on topic
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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May 26, 2010 - 11:40pm PT
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I hate when people people alter the environment in National Parks...
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PhotogEC
climber
In front of my computer
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May 27, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
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My Korean friend indicates that the message in question reads, literally:
Miss
Chae Seung Chul
Kim Hyung Jin
He agreed that it's a memorial to the two people named, but was unsure whether there's any significance to where it was left.
Anyone recognize the names and/or an accident in '99?
--Eric
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72hw
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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May 27, 2010 - 09:49pm PT
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Honestly it could be a climber memorializing parents, lost friends, etc. who may have never set foot on a wall. Where I do not condone the widespread use of such tactics to make your grief or respect known, I understand fully the impulse. Special places to us are special places to others and they may choose such places to work through loss in any number of ways.
Not sure how I feel about this... I guess it comes down to knowing pornography when you see it.
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 27, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
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GEEK Tower
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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May 28, 2010 - 06:38pm PT
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Garbage.
Leave it as (or better) than you find it.
Which means no signs -
A worthy goal.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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May 28, 2010 - 06:42pm PT
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A memorial is not graffiti. If anything is sacred this would be it. Gosh darn it, someone died on the mountain and one of their loved one didn't want them forgotten. I don't find that offensive, I find it gut wrenching sad.
AFS
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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May 28, 2010 - 10:26pm PT
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Spider Savage: I have to agree with you on the Stone Mountain problem. I used to express that opinion often around here (GA) but there are few people that see it that way.
I guess the only positive thought about Stone Mountain is that represents what not to do significant natural wonders.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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May 28, 2010 - 10:31pm PT
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People die everyday by the thousands.
If there were one of those roadside memorials for every death we would be wading through the trash. As far as I'm concerned the less crap and plaques the better. Keep it to yourself and don't impose it on what is by many considered pristine.
This is nuts.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 28, 2010 - 11:40pm PT
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I bet it says something about Kim Jong Il killing infidels on it.
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murcy
climber
sanfrancisco
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May 29, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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