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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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May 24, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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Science is based upon facts that have been built on other facts. Yet at a certain point you reach a place where we cannot explain what we observe with facts.
Can YOU explain the entire time line of the Big Bang for the evolution of our universe?
The question is not whether Science can explain everything, it never will. The question is whether, when enough facts are accumlated you accept something as generally true and move on (or use it as a building block for something more). The alternative, is to cling to a faith based view of the world/universe regardless of the amount of facts and evidence. And as has been pointed out, even generally scientifically minded individuals can fall into this trap, but it isn't science.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 02:33pm PT
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At any rate I will be sticking to climbing related threads from now on.
This was one last big F U to people like Pate.
Not everyone believes the same things that you do dipsh#t, nor should they be forced to, or belittled for their beliefs. Telling someone they are stupid or a loser for their personal beliefs is about as ignorant as you can get.
I believe the Universe was created....end of story. You guys believe what you want to believe and I am perfectly fine with that.
I am just against the blatant attacking that goes on around here, people like Pate are poison to a decent websites like the Taco.
But hey if it makes you feel good to attack people and say nasty things online then so be it....whatever makes you happy man, I will not be involved with it any longer.
The fact is we only live once.....so enjoy it. Climb on.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 02:35pm PT
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Well if your right Binks I hope I am a billionaire in one of those other Universes.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 24, 2010 - 02:38pm PT
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Except when they get into your face with theirs. Or laws based on theirs. Adios.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
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You sound like a bitter old man to me biotch!
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 24, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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bb,
Keep the thread going!
I love to see people make complete hypocrites of thmselves.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 03:01pm PT
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You got it Doug!
F U Too!!
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 24, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
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Definitely an angry young kid......
Go climbing and get some of the angst out of ya.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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I bet I climb more than you and Pate combined!
I love this slander.......keep it goin boys!!!!
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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May 24, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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You are probably right.
But you are keeping your dreaded thread alive!
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 03:18pm PT
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Ok......Let's let it die.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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May 24, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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In my experience (and of course there are exceptions to everything), most scientists (of which I humbly consider myself) are the FIRST to admit that the current understandings of "science" don't explain everything. If it did, we wouldn't need science in the first place.
In my experience, it is SOME of the religious (usually the more fanatical endmembers) that are sure that THEY have the answers. Arguments that can be quelched by quoting religious texts, falling back on faith or anecdotal evidence are going nowhere fast. It's been so since the beginning of time (no matter if you think that's thousands or billions of years ago).
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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May 24, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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In response to the last post.....I have no answers, that's why jesus is my very best friend. He has never failed to be there....even when no one else is. There with answers and direction. Peace and Joy on a beautiful Monday, lynnie
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 24, 2010 - 04:51pm PT
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Where are those weekend photos, Lynne? I believe they exist!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 24, 2010 - 06:22pm PT
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If you're a young guy, then you certainly are a dumbass. Go back to school.
No, the last thing the world needs is more idiots in school.
This is becoming (or already is) a nation of over-educated (according to their worthless degrees) fools. We'd be better off if there were manual labor jobs for these idiots to do to keep them out of mischief, but those jobs are mostly gone.
Actually climbing is a good way for the young idiots to burn off energy and kill time, and mostly avoid bothering other people.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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May 24, 2010 - 06:49pm PT
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hey BB please explain these two quotes of yours- the contradict each other-
on this thread you quoted-
"not everyone believes the same things that you do dipsh#t, nor should they be forced to, or belittle for their beliefs. telling someone they are stupid or a loser for their personal beliefs is about as ignorant as you can get."
on the other thread you quoted-
if you want to believe thought that all this energy and matter somehow randomly came into existence and defied the laws of thermodynamics to produce conscious beings then so be it. You are truly the ignorant ones."
Do you believe the stuff you type, or are you just here to push peoples buttons?
take care
dave
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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May 24, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
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Jaybro, will work on creating them .....:D
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 24, 2010 - 07:54pm PT
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Those who call out hypocrisy are heroes. Dave Goodwin is smart. I wish he'd post more at the fire.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 24, 2010 - 08:53pm PT
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Dave,
Both.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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May 24, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
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With an answer like "both", I would then assume that:
1) you got called contradicting yourself and had no real answer
or
2) you are a hypocrite
I'm not posting to start waves or create animosity, just trying to clarify where your thought process is coming from.
I am willing to admit that I have no answers to the topic at hand. I like to read peoples ideas on this topic so that maybe I can learn something, therefore maybe someday I can have a belief to stand by. I read and/or listen to what others have to say, but you make no sense with contradicting statements, therefore it invalidates anything else you have to say.
take care
dave
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