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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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May 20, 2010 - 02:34pm PT
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Everyone should read this.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2005-06-16/news/balls-out/
It's about Dock Ellis who pitched a no hitter tripping his balls off on LSD. Thought the ump was elvis and hendrix was up at bat swinging a guitar. Also alleges that everyone in baseball is on amphetamines.
162 games a year. Duh. Says they took "greenies" and had a term for playing when you didn't get your hook up, and it was "playing naked"
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 20, 2010 - 02:38pm PT
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In law, a standard jury instruction is that if you determine that a witness lied previously, you are not required to believe any of his testimony.
John
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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May 20, 2010 - 02:49pm PT
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I remember several threads on this topic over the past several years, and the anti-Frenchies on the Taco Stand were screaming murder about the bloody 'Frogs' trying to stich up American riders. Hey guys (and gals?) are you still claiming that it was a French conspiracy? Xenophobia can run deep, especially if a country does not back up misguided American foreign policies. I am laughing at you people, sorry, but I am (just don't take it personal).
I road for a short while in the Bay Area High School circuit (around 1972). My first race (on my Pogliaghi with Campy gear, my brother Mac still has the bike) was an El Cerrito Hill Climb with a $10 prize (I wanted the money to buy a lid). I had Converse tennies and cutoff jeans and I came in fourth, literally inches behind 1st, 2nd and 3rd, all who had the 'proper' gear, (cleats, cycling clothes et al). I know that if I had such gear, especially on the 'up-pull', I would have won. But I didn't care. I borrowed the tenner from my mom to buy the lid (she didn't know that though), even though she use to water my pot plants - a West Virginia dentist who could not stand to see plants die as I was off galavanting around the West.
Me, a doper? I guess I was, but not in that race or the other three I entered (with Converses and cutoffs). I have a yellow ribbon from that first race somewhere in a box. But climbing was far more important to me.
I actually introduced George Mount (Boy Scouts friend) to racing and he was one of the first Yanks to race in Europe (and his big head ego won't let you forget that fact).
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 20, 2010 - 04:11pm PT
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Mike, sorry but the hard and sad fact is that with all these scandals and every time they swear on their mothers graves that they are inocent, then they end up confessing in the end, we can't believe you. If you won, you doped and are in denial. That is pretty much how the public see's it now.
Just like the catholic priest thing. see one of those guys and you see a pedophile regardless of if it's true or not. You see a Bike racer or a track star and you see a doper. Heck I even suspect that Phelps is in on the game......
They should start giving out medals for not getting caught...
Nothing personal just telling it how I see it..
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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May 20, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
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Sometimes lying will buy you just enough time to save your own life. In that case, lying is a good thing. Not that I know anything about that.
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DrMaino
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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May 20, 2010 - 05:12pm PT
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Just food for thought for those who think doping in sports is no big deal. I see high school kids juicing in their quest for that big college or pro sports deal. They're just emulating their heroes.
No big deal. We should just let them have their overuse injuries, mood swings, bitch tits and acne. Mabye they'll get cancer later. More business for me (sarcasm).
T.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 20, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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I agree that its sucks that kids think they have to dope to make it to the big time. That being said its so prevelant in the pros that how can you be even remotly convinced that they don't all do it? It,s a big catch 22. If you don't dope everyone thinks you do anyways. If you do and you get caught the same folks who are dopeing crucify you....
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 20, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
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Dock Ellis, one of the greats! One of the last of the old time pitchers that didn't take any sh#t from the batters. RIP
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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May 20, 2010 - 08:04pm PT
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Apparently hiding the results of taking testosterone and ELP is not that difficult. I think Landis got careless and got caught in 2006. In an environment where most if not all cheat, there's probably a code among them that if you're dumb enough to get caught, then you are on your own! Now Landis is a pariaha for breaking rank and there is no turning back. All accused will deny it as they are truly a "band of brothers"...
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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May 21, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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I saw a this preview of Landis' new team jersey...
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Sheets
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 21, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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I'm not sure how I feel about this.
In 2006 I was in a bar watching Landis' break away in Stage 17 thinking it was just an awesome athletic performance--one of the best endurance sport feats I've seen. I've never rode professionally but with all the scandals I've always assumed a good number of the riders are jacked up at any given race. So does his admission of doping take something away from his Stage 17 win for me? I guess it does since I can't know whether he get a 2% or 15% advantage from it. I guess I think the former is more accurate but I don't know enough about the science of doping to really make a judgement on this.
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apogee
climber
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May 21, 2010 - 02:09am PT
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Setting aside the whole question (and reality) of which cyclist (or athlete) is doping, and all of the ethical disgust that goes along with it....
Landis simply chose today to make his announcement in a pathetic attempt to steal the media fire when the spotlights were brightest. He's probably smart enough to know that while Armstrong and others may well have been doping, his position in bringing this to light at this time is nothing more than a last-gasp effort to grab at Armstrong as Landis sinks into the muck. Going forward, Armstrong still has the potential to rise above...Landis, on the other hand, has resigned himself to ignominy forever.
What an asshol*.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 22, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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I have a lady friend-acquaintance who raced professionally....she says a lot of pros are on the juice...one famous american racer , who was permanently banned , spent the last days of his career trying to convince the cycling world that he wasn't using drugs....this after being banned once before.. she was saying that using steroids eventually send the users over the edge psychologically while causing gross exaggerations in nose and ear growth.....maybe this explains the behavior of flloyd landis lashing out at Armstrong..? rj
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HB
Trad climber
Orange Co, CA
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May 22, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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Landis is a vilifier of the top cyclists in the the ToC, not just Lance. He is a looser. I supported the guy and now after all this time he admits he was dirty. Go Dave Z and Levi. Landis go home.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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May 22, 2010 - 08:13pm PT
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there is still a question mark about lance's first tour win, but the rest are clean.
if you juice your body for an event like that, you can win, but not 6 years in a row. your body would not handle the stress.
i do not think lance is a cheater.
i think he is a good guy. look at all the extra work he does to try and help people.
there was something about him taking something the first year without out knowing it was banned. an over the counter drug. but that was it. no needles or anything like that. the french change the list of prohibited chemicals on a daily basis to suit their needs.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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May 23, 2010 - 04:09am PT
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Jose Canseco said all the same stuff and virtually all of it turns out to be true even after being called out by everyone including players, coaches and management. Would it be that surprising if all the successful professional riders were using illegal substances.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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May 23, 2010 - 01:02pm PT
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baseball requires far less of the body than european cycling.
you can get messed up your whole carrear.
look at babe ruth. big ol beer bum, smoked cigs, still had a very good time.
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