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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 12, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Ana, that's not a problem once your leader finds the anchors. And in many places in the Valley you can even see "camo'ed" anchors because they stick out when you get close, in addition to the ring(s) hangings from them.
Maybe this is another project. Replacing old colored tat at tree-belays with granite grey slings. Certainly it is mail order-able! We don't have to drive down to score it off Greg. GDavis, you could always help out by using employee discounts to offset shipping costs us, no?
Sh#t, Nomads would prolly do it voluntarily if they knew the cause.
WTF happened to kev??? I'd like his insights to this.
People looking for good belays don't look for bright yellow/rainbow slings, they look for trees and horns and cracks. It's intuitive.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 12, 2010 - 05:16pm PT
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On routes of any length, I always carry a folding knife and a few knotted slings (subdued colours), and perhaps a rap ring or two. When rappelling, I try to remove or tidy up old slings.
Sometimes apparently redundant rappel slings have a purpose. The slings on Nutcracker may be from parties with a single rope bailing during thunderstorms.
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slobmonster
Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
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May 12, 2010 - 05:27pm PT
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Chop all, leave one freshie, and then only if it's needed.
My small pack (in photo) is already full of tat, and I am filling it.
Tat is trash.
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Fish_Products
Big Wall climber
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May 12, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
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Sterling makes an 11/16" tubular that is silver/gray and for sure Nomad should be carrying this, along with JT Tan and Red Rocks Red, both available from Bluewater.
Wanna be a tri-area do gooder? Paypal me $5.00 along with your address and I'll send you a Yos gray, JT Tan, and a Red Rocks Red hunk of 1" tubular webbing that you can knot up yourself and leave less of a trace. Sling material will be about 5' long, which gives an over the shoulder sling when knotted. 3 slings, 5 clams, includes shipping. Paypal to "paypal (at) fishproducts.com". No other methods accepted. Limited to the first 40,000 do gooders or until I retire on this lucrative scam (or run out of materials). Want all Yos instead? yeah... we can do that.
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EDIT: click on our Blog and there should be a PayPal button ready to go for this gig on the Leave no Trace entry.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 12, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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That's just badass, FISH....hold on...I'm sending...
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Anastasia
Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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May 12, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
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Thanks Fish, you are a hero!
:)AFS
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 12, 2010 - 05:56pm PT
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CUT ANYTHING THATS NOT DATED. RAP OF A TREE - WTF - GOD GAVE YOU A BRAIN I THINK. THINK ABOUT YOUR ROPE. KNOW WONDER I BARK AT CLIMBERS & THE MOON. THINK SAFETY FIRST. I DON'T PUT BARK ON ROPE IF I CAN HELP IT.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 12, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
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Yeah but you guys are advocating cutting ALL slingage, no?
That makes no sense, and is my point!!!!! You need some slings in place, right? Maybe even triples because you don't know the status when you get there.
Pick One!!!! Rap off the tree of leave some slings to save the tree's bark!
Everybody so far so seems to advocate chopping all "tat". That would potentially leave me to rap off bark, no? Or leave my own gear to be chopped by someone else.
What is more logical and 'sustainable'? You chop my gear I gotta go buy more or the next schmuck has to leave gear to protect the 'sensitive bark'. But he just has to buy more dyneema.
F*#k you people drive me nuts sometimes....
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Nate D
climber
San Francisco
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May 12, 2010 - 06:14pm PT
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save a tree (and/or the ugly tat cycle), drill two bolts. :)
Not my style, but there are advocates for this on high traffic routes, no?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 12, 2010 - 06:17pm PT
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I just cut off the oldest/most worn/most weathered from regular rappel stations, leaving the two or three best ones, and then add a new one. As BR says, you don't usually have to remove all of what's there.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 12, 2010 - 06:19pm PT
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I'm not opposed that, Nate, but some would say you're doing "much more damage to the natural environment".
Me, I say just sling the f*#king trees, put a ring(s) on the rig, and call it done.
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The Alpine
Big Wall climber
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May 12, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
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Not all tat is on trees. Not all trees with tat are rap routes or belays. If its an established rap route or belay - of course leave slings on trees(cleaning and replacing as necessary).
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 12, 2010 - 06:39pm PT
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the alpine got it -- bluering just think - date your slings & bring your own....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 12, 2010 - 06:45pm PT
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the alpine got it -- bluering just think - date your slings & bring your own....
I know this. Which is why I caution Paul about chopping ALL stuff he comes across. Some of it is legit and necessary. Some needs work, but not necessarily complete removal.
Each occasion requires a decision. When in doubt, leave it or clean it up a bit.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 12, 2010 - 06:50pm PT
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Always rap on at least one new sling if you want to always come home. I like three.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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May 12, 2010 - 06:52pm PT
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Always rap on at least one new sling if you want to always come home. I like three.
Not a bad rule, but you have to evaluate each anchor and and make the call. I tend to agree though, overall.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 12, 2010 - 07:22pm PT
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Apogee, is that shoe, tat?
i'm gonna get in on some of that fish slingage.
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