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A Dzzl
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Praha, Czech Republic
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And how many of those deaths in L.A. were caused by registered guns... Hmmmm? It's hard to control unregistered guns, that's why they are illegal. As I see it the Gov't needs to control arms manufactures and thier business practices, not the private citizen.
And who ever said the French invented creative sex? How unimaginative, dare I say Eurocentric? Maybe they like people to think that to make up for the fact that their women aren't that atractive. That's right, I said it. Why are all the cosmetic companies based in France...Hmmm?
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Blight
Social climber
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Same reason there are so many vodka companies in czech republic and so many condom companies in america...
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Radical has a point about this thing snowballing, but A Dzzl has got it right. Most immigrants just want to live, work etc... But it always takes some headcases, doesn't it.
And it isn't only muslims rioting, but Afro-French and poor whites.
But before all you anti-French people out there go on, perhaps our country should look at our own problems,
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426
Sport climber
Shuford's pork plate with okra & slaw, TN
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"memorizing the Koran may do wonders for concentration"
As may the Bible, but have you really learned anything?
Hold the phone; I got a call comin' in. We're playing Biblical D&D here....
Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
Isaiah 59:5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
Djian the Dwarf rolls 00 and slays the cockatrice with his +3 A5 Warhammer.
But look out, down the hall, for here comes...
Isaiah 13:21-22 ...wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces:...
Jeremiah 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.
But anyhoops, Yorktown?
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WoodyS
Trad climber
Riverside
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 8, 2005 - 11:08am PT
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I always thought the Romans were reponsible for creative sex.
And, remember in our last riot in LA, the rioters were heading out of the initial riot area when they ran into the well armed Korean community that decided to arm themselves to protect their property and lives. The thugs turned back and continued to burn and loot their own area. Too bad the French citizens can't defend themselves; it's obvious the French government won't. Piles of dead rioters in the street would discourage future behavior. To pretend that this is all about economics is nonsense. There is a definite jihad element; just look to what's going on in the rest of Europe. The Europeans are in deep trouble. Many of these Muslims don't want to assimilate; they want to colonize.
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426
Sport climber
Shuford's pork plate with okra & slaw, TN
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This is pure, unfiltered, unadulterated BS. Bring it over to the "OBL declares intifada". Or it'll be 'brung' here I s'pose.
Now, all of a sudden you 'believe' a Frenchman?
Yer point's already been disproven...rogue LEOS and all.
What, no love for phone bible D&D?
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Blight
Social climber
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"There is a definite jihad element; just look to what's going on in the rest of Europe."
What on EARTH are you babbling about?
There is no jihad. Europe is just fine.
I know; I LIVE in europe.
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A Dzzl
Trad climber
Praha, Czech Republic
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Please, Anybody who has half a brain and sexual organs invents creative sex everytime they get down. You think cave men/women didn't get bored with the same old stuff?
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426
Sport climber
Shuford's pork plate with okra & slaw, TN
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ROFL FT.
What, you didn't get 'the memo'? About the TPS reports...
French fatwa condemns violence
One of France's largest Muslim organisations has issued a religious decree against rioting in bid to put an end to the unrest.
The Union of French Islamic Organisations (UOIF) issued the fatwa condemning the disorder and destruction the unrest has caused.
Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and other officials have been hinting that some Muslim groups may be involved in inciting angry teenagers to defy the French state.
Muslim residents, who are also affected by the unrest in the poorer, neglected suburbs, say rioters' anger is more about unemployment and discrimination than religion.
..."It is formally forbidden to any Muslim seeking divine grace and satisfaction to participate in any action that blindly hits private or public property or could constitute an attack on someone's life."
http://tinyurl.com/a4buz/
Now "Theo" is intifada? Stretching it a bit, aren't we.
But hey, now that your prez has said "bring it on" neocons have inflamed like 17% of the world's population!~
Way to go!
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Continental Europe is headed for a meltdown.
Just catching up with us, I guess...
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426
Sport climber
Shuford's pork plate with okra & slaw, TN
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rofl, not the moonie times again!
Mouthpiece for the "good" Rev.?
"Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves of the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have devoted myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this blessed land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and energy to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and responsible journalistic institution."
The Unification Church has been willing to run the paper at a loss to provide a political voice for the conservative right. In 2003, The New Yorker reported that a billion dollars had been spent since the paper's inception, as Rev Moon himself had noted in a 1991 speech ("Literally nine hundred million to one billion dollars has been spent to activate and run the Washington Times"
..."The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world."
So, you got that goin' for ya...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Times
Specious, mang, specious...
Ah, and a mouthpiece for "Punjabi's"...Pssst-read up on the Hindu/Islam conflict, it's a dooozy!
If they (immigrants) are "French" like "France" sez...well, parse that out for us there...
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Do you not agree that Islam was spread with the sword
Do you not agree that Christianity was spread with the sword (and with smallpox?)
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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I haven't heard of any churchs being built or Mosques being torn down (other than those used as military compounds) or mass executions of non-believers or priests doing conversions or priests in charge of torture.
So, in nations that are currently militarily occupied by Muslim soldiers, have you heard of any Mosques being built or churches being torn down (other than those used as military compounds) or mass executions of non-believers or imams doing conversions or imams in charge of torture?
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A Dzzl
Trad climber
Praha, Czech Republic
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I think to fully apreciate the situation you can't look at it as a continuation of cultural conflict from the seventh century. That is to suppose the world is not any more complex that it was, or that it was ever that simple in the first place.
The problem is that you will find what you are looking for. To treat this as a ideological/cultural clash is to play into the hands of the Extremists. It's exactly what they want.
I think we should be clear that this is not an ideological clash, but a problem with the fringe element of less developed societies. Yes, I said it. Less developed, let's not buy too much of cutural relativism has to offer.
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A Dzzl
Trad climber
Praha, Czech Republic
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And furthermore, the French perspecive of the world is no more in the right than the American one. The funny thing is that both countries have such arrogant world views that they are simmilar in that regard.
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BeBe
Sport climber
Phoenix
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How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Don't know. It's never been done before!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Fattrad, uh, 'great' websites you directed us to to back up your points. Objective, nah... Agendas, yeah...
Fattrad: "the modernization of the Muslim world. Exclude oil from their GDP and they are back living in 300 AD"
Firstly, since Islam wasn't developed until the seventh century, I think that your 300 AD is either ignorance on your part, or more like it, yet again an example of getting your facts wrong. Don't you get tired of doing the latter?
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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It will go dowm as one of our greatest achievements, the modernization of the Muslim world
How does bombing them into the stone age and radicalizing them until they're willing to blow themselves up connote modernization?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Fattrad, I think it was sometime in the early 600s. I'd google it but I am off to the gym.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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For Iraq and Afganistan this is their first chance to vote, voting is power.
I thought you were talking about modernization?
Women in Iraq never had to wear burqas before and girls were allowed to go school. In many areas, this is no longer true. How is that modernization?
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