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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Apr 15, 2010 - 01:57am PT
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I dunno about whether "we" were meant to eat meat, but I surely am. I've done the veggie thing a few times during my life, upwards of 7 months at a stretch, but I always come crawling back to animal protein. I just seem to completely wilt without it. You'd never talk me into it again, socioeconomic and environmental benefits be damned.
PS - Steve L, you're suggesting I cut out PB&J sandwiches, cheese, and ice cream: them's fightin' words!
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Apr 15, 2010 - 02:06am PT
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I got two words for you veggies:
Double Friggin' Down
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Apr 15, 2010 - 02:18am PT
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No way am I eating hamburgers!!! ground up fat nastiness.....argh!
Don't even get me started on meat by-products....hot dogs, aka, "mystery meat".... gag:(((
but, PBJ's yep, good stuff, cept' goin' for the natural peanut butter these days, no more Jiffy. Besides, PBJ's are cheap and are great to stuff in a pack on a climb.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 15, 2010 - 03:04am PT
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Decided to do a vegetarian (ovo-lacto, eggs & cheese occasionally and a spot of milk in my first cup in the morning) ~25 years ago and found it was surprisingly easy (even back then) and haven't looked back. It definitely agrees with my system more. Agree with others about the lack of "detox", no issues like that for me.
I did it mainly for environmental reasons - entropy is real - but the ethical side agrees with me as well. Factory meat production is an abomination.
These days it's a cinch. Back then I ate a lot of baked potatoes and grilled cheese sammys when dining out. Now days wait staff don't look at you funny when you ask if the soup was made with animal stock.
Here's a recipe for you that includes the afore mentioned soyrizo (Trader Joe's has it). Yum!
Veg Chorizo burritos (makes 10 - they freeze well)
Ingredients:
Veg Chorizo (1 pk)
Tofu (Super firm, 16oz-20oz)
Cheese (12oz, optional)
Potatoes (3 med russets)
Onion (1 large red or yellow)
Peas (3oz)
Tortillas (1 package)
Peel and cube potatoes (1/2" cubes). Dice the onion. Mix together, toss with oil and oven roast in a large pan @400 degrees for ~35 minutes or until brown at edges and cooked through.
Crumble tofu into a large bowl, then mash a bit with a potato masher until broken up into ~1/8" chunks. Sprinkle salt and spices (I like black pepper, cumin, turmeric and secret aardvark hot sauce) and mix in.
When potatoes are done, warm the tortillas in the oven and mix the peas in with the potatoes & onion.
Heat a skillet and add a tablespoon or two of oil. Cook the soyrizo until it browns a bit, then add the tofu and cook until mixed well and browned.
Assemble the burritos: scoop of soyrizo, some shredded cheese (if desired), the potato/peas, roll. Rinse & repeat.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 15, 2010 - 04:19am PT
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hey there say, karen... congrats on the diet change, hope the blood sugar will read better...
say, all, i am mainly veg, fruit, and oats and lentels... corn masa tortillas, homemade are nice, though ... but i do like fish and chicken, on certain occasions... it just depends... or a taste of seafood at times...
homemade soup... occasional homemade pie, on holiday... :)
but mainly, just very simple food... no canned, or boxed stuff... only real plain yogurt... on rare occasions, a bit of cheese, or some eggs...
so far, the good lord has been keeping me doing okay by this...
taste a bit of chocoate on the holidays, or mint candy, then, too...
and---i love venision, when i can get a bit, too...
thanks for the interesting share, all... :)
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slevin
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Apr 15, 2010 - 07:20am PT
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Don't go vegetardian....unless, of course, you like being skinny and weak. Of course, weak and skinny like Mac Danzig
Or, for that matter, Joe Namath, Martina Navratilova, Robert Parish, Carl Lewis and many more.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 15, 2010 - 07:29am PT
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Who knows why we do the things we do? I was the head cheff at a steak and seafood joint when I decided to do my 5 year veg head stint. Cooking prime rib, Grand Mariner steak au pouive, blackened sword fish and grilled Mahi Mahi every night. I would make myself cajun blackened tou foo (toad food) with roasted red pepper butter on top. Actually pretty good stuff.
Strength was not a problem. Nervs were. I am much calmer and sleep mbetter when i have animal protien in my diet.
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quartziteflight
climber
Who knows?
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Apr 15, 2010 - 08:56am PT
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Whats your diet look like right now?
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Steve L
Gym climber
SUR
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Apr 15, 2010 - 09:43am PT
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Danzig is 2-3 in the UFC. He hardly belongs in the same breath as Namath, Parish, and Lewis.
No doubt there are many great vegetarian athletes. I'd venture to say that many of them would still be great even if they ate nothing but jelly bellies and kit kats.
To the OP: Just stay out of the grocery store main aisles. Don't eat anything out of a box, can or pouch. If you don't know what an ingredient is, don't eat it. Buy most, if not all, of your food from the perimeter of the store. From there, just make tweaks depending on what your overall fitness goals are. I wouldn't sweat the whole meat vs vegetarian thing. The major health issues and benefits come from processed vs natural.
It really is very simple. Just stay away from all things processed, and eat what your body was designed to eat.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Apr 15, 2010 - 10:25am PT
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Eating veggie will Not, hold you back!
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quartziteflight
climber
Who knows?
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Apr 15, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
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Steve L,
You seem like youve got the diet stuff dialed in. Do you have an opinion on supplementing efa's?
cheers
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Apr 15, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
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There are certainly valid reasons for going veg. Vegetarian animals tend to taste better than the carnivores.
Seriously, if I was going to do it, it would be for ethical or environmental reasons, not health. There's not much scientific evidence that says a diet with a reasonable balance of meat is any worse than a vegetarian diet from a health perspective. Certain necessary amino acids are in fact much easier to obtain in meat.
The key, as others have pointed out, is avoiding tons of processed crap, whether that crap is meat, carbs, or Ragu.
As for detoxing, there's not a lot of good science behind that either. If it makes you feel good to have detox enemas, go for it, but don't expect to find articles in Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine supporting it.
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Evel
Trad climber
Marijuana capital of the US
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Apr 15, 2010 - 01:46pm PT
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Was semi-vegan for one year as a trial. Never been so hungry. We humans are indeed omnivorous creatures. So ideally we eat a wide variety of foods.
A fun quote, possibly from Scott Franklin BITD. "Cows eat grass, Tigers eat meat. Figure it out." (or something like that...)
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altelis
Mountain climber
DC
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Apr 15, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
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Michelle, guessing by your name and just assuming about your age, one thing to really look out for is that you have enough iron in your system. Especially every lunar month or so...Realize that while its totally possible to get enough iron without red meat, it can be hard. You can't just compare mg in meat vs plant sources (like spinach). Many plant forms are way less absorbable and usable than animal sources, so you have to balance that out.
Totally doable, but just something extra to think about... If you've had issues with anemia before you may want to make this transition with the help of a nutritionist/dietician/NP/PA/MD...
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Steve L
Gym climber
SUR
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Apr 15, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
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quartziteflight - Yeah, I do like supplementing EFAs. As I mentioned above, its all about getting that omega 3 / omega 6 ratio right. The fats in grain fed meat are skewed towards omega 6s. If all we ate was wild grass fed meat and fish, it wouldn't be an issue, but eating that way can be pretty expensive unless you live somewhere where you can hunt. 0.5 grams to 1 gram of EPA/DHA per ten pounds of body weight is a rule of thumb that's tossed around there a lot. Err to the high side if your just switching to an all natural diet. Less if you've been eating that way for a while, and have your exercise/activity routine dialed. There's some solid research out there that can detail the science behind this stuff. I'm just a desk jockey trying to up my weekend performance. If you're interested, you should check out Lauren Cordain, Charles Poliquin and Robb Wolf. They've got good info out there both in print and online.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 15, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
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It's not a huge deal to change your diet, and your body won't go into convultions. But as others said, it's easy to eat a crappy diet vegetarian diet, just as it's easy to eat a crappy diet with meat.
What you really need to avoid with any diet is processed foods, and excessive carbs. The challenge with a vegan diet is not loading up on carbs, very, very easy to do.
Going from a vegan diet and adding dairy and meat will upset your digestive track, knocking those items out you really shouldn't notice the change.
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quartziteflight
climber
Who knows?
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Apr 16, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
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Steve,
Thanks for the heads up. I read rob wolf's blog on occasion.
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