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Hootervillian
climber
Rob Field, OB
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Oct 27, 2005 - 12:18pm PT
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"Fooozball... bunch'a over grown apes...
manhandlin each other..." Momma
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2005 - 12:50pm PT
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Yeah, being a granite astronaut feels pretty rad, but I've always wondered what it feels like to have 70,000 people roar for you. Two friends down in the Meadow ain't quite the same.
Watching soccer is nearly as boring as watching big wall climbing.
fat, maybe I should go with ethanol or something to keep my immolation a little more eco-friendly.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:03pm PT
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After the Jordan era ended, why bother?
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AndyG
climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:05pm PT
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There is a simple fundamental problem with Soccer which leaves Basketball always superior. What is it that separates man from animals? An opposable thumb. That's it. Once we started grabbing things our course was set. But in Soccer you can't use your hands! WTF? Once you are able to use the main thing that separates man from animals you get the artistry of Jordan, the creativity of Magic, the grace combined with power of LeBron... Soccer can never compare. You can do so much more with your hands than you can with your feet.
Andy
PS. Born on the south side, Go Sox!
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:09pm PT
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Hootervillian: They did show them for a lot of years. I should have specified that I was talking about the NBA from like late 80's to 2000, not the mess we see now. Hell, I'm pretty sure Duke/KY/insert college powerhouse here could have done better in the last olympics than the team we actually sent.
Darod: "but please, take all the padding away, and we might actually have something going here!!!"
I'm completely sure you've never had on football pads or been hit in them. Try it some time. BTW, here's a sample of what's under the pads:
And that's a receiver. I wish I could find the bodybuilding mag pic that Lawrence Taylor did, but he's about 240 and 3-4% body fat. Say what you want about american football being ponderous to watch, but those are the strongest athletes in professional sports, and some of the fastest as well.
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darod
Trad climber
New York
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:10pm PT
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Pele, Zico, oh so many names I could think of; all of these guys could do with their feet what not even the great Jordan could NEVER do with his hands....
LOL!!!!!!!
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darod
Trad climber
New York
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:16pm PT
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"I'm completely sure you've never had on football pads or been hit in them. Try it some time. BTW, here's a sample of what's under the pads:
And that's a receiver. I wish I could find the bodybuilding mag pic that Lawrence Taylor did, but he's about 240 and 3-4% body fat. Say what you want about american football being ponderous to watch, but those are the strongest athletes in professional sports, and some of the fastest as well."
yeah, and some the fatest too! dying of heat strokes and the likes....
I do agree with you though, some of these guys are real sportsmen, no doubt. I just think they would not be so prone to "head bumps" without helmets. Let's just take a step back toward the original, rugby, that's all!!!
I'm 5'7", 150 lbs. No thank you, with or without padding, NOT for me!
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:20pm PT
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I'm not denigrating soccer's great players (and yes, that's what I call it, if you speak american english that's the name for it, just like we call lorries vans and fruit pips seeds and all that other good stuff). My point is that the great Pele managed to work his magic on average once every 95 minutes he played. I've had this discussion before, my point is just to wonder what would happen if we reinvisioned soccer as a game of scoring rather than 90 minutes of grinding defensive stasis with occasional screwups that result in goals.
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darod
Trad climber
New York
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:28pm PT
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"...my point is just to wonder what would happen if we reinvisioned soccer as a game of scoring rather than 90 minutes of grinding defensive stasis with occasional screwups that result in goals."
No! that's exactly why I think you don't really understand the subtleties of soccer/football/whatevah...is not a scoring game, and i think a lot of my merrican friends don't get it because of that. Some of the most boring to watch games are those that end in scores like 7-0, 11-2...however some of the most exciting ones end 0-0, or 1-0, get my point I guess...
Is not simply a game of high scores, like basketball, but then again, guys play for a few minutes, then sit down on the sidelines to rest, then they go again...in soccer, you have the same men running for 90 minutes, no benches, or time-outs! when your out, your OUT!
Anyway, keep'em coming...
darod.
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Lg
Trad climber
NorCaL
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:28pm PT
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Nature:Then I watched the 'hawks steal the game from the cowboys with time expired (if any of ya'll america's team fans gimme a hard time well.. just suck it),
DMT:F*#king tyrants, most of them.
If you're a high school football coach, well, I'm not taking it back, ya bully, so f*#k you.
LOL! You guyes are crackin' me up! yEA Dallas fans hee hee.
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:34pm PT
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"I do agree with you though, some of these guys are real sportsmen, no doubt. I just think they would not be so prone to "head bumps" without helmets. Let's just take a step back toward the original, rugby, that's all!!!"
Using the helmet for anything but incidental contact is against the rules in football, and for good reason. Football did grow out of rugby, though the divergence is wider than you think. Early football was played with almost no padding, and in one year alone 18 people died.
Football, rugby, and soccer all descend from the same mid-1800's english school games and their american counterparts, which is why Americans call it football, though our version of course has a lot more to do with the rugby end of things. They're actually all just codifications of various games that were played with somewhat ad-hoc rules, which themselves descend from early forms which were just melees.
In fact, let's take a step back toward the original form of soccer, which is still played occasionally in Italy. It's basically rugby with forward passing and less rules, you just move the ball through the goal by whatever means necessary. Matter of fact, the only real rule is that you can't kick a guy who is on the ground.
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AndyG
climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:39pm PT
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"Pele, Zico, oh so many names I could think of; all of these guys could do with their feet what not even the great Jordan could NEVER do with his hands...."
Well, this is hard to parse with the double negative. But it is just an absurd statement. In an average game Jordan put a 10" ball into an 18" hole about 15-20 times. Pele could only manage to put a ball into a huge net on average less than 1 time per game. There is absolutely no comparison between the ball control and precision of basketball and the ball control and precision of soccer, with both being MUCH greater in the case of basketball.
Andy
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Landgolier
climber
the flatness
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Oct 27, 2005 - 01:40pm PT
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"No! that's exactly why I think you don't really understand the subtleties of soccer/football/whatevah...is not a scoring game, and i think a lot of my merrican friends don't get it because of that. Some of the most boring to watch games are those that end in scores like 7-0, 11-2...however some of the most exciting ones end 0-0, or 1-0, get my point I guess..."
Man, chill, I'm not talking about boring routs, I'm talking about what if we simply took the same game and envisioned a different style of play, rather than just "no, you don't understand, THAT'S HOW IT'S PLAYED." I understand what's exciting about soccer. Everybody hangs out in the middle of the field doing their thing, somebody screws up, and somebody either scores or makes a dramatic save. There is of course a mental/momentum aspect to it, but that's a product of being locked into this kind of strategic thinking. It's a strategy based on perfect defensive execution. I'm talking about applying the same logic to offense. Don't wait for offensive opportunity, create it, and do it in a way that doesn't create a hole in your defense that the other team can exploit.
"Is not simply a game of high scores, like basketball, but then again, guys play for a few minutes, then sit down on the sidelines to rest, then they go again...in soccer, you have the same men running for 90 minutes, no benches, or time-outs! when your out, your OUT!"
Based on that, I don't think you understand basketball or soccer.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Oct 27, 2005 - 02:50pm PT
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Yo...I can only speak for myself and say that my lack of affinity for ball sports is probably due to one or more of the following:
1. Antisocial nature.
2. Blindness in one eye resulting in zero depth perception and propensity to catch approaching projectiles with face.
3. Lack of Y chromasome.
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AKutzer
Trad climber
From Texas to Tahoe
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Oct 27, 2005 - 02:51pm PT
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Jordan played soccer as a child.
I can't imagine a worse game than watching 2 hours of soccer and the end score being 0-0.
At least play till someone wins!
Same thing goes for hockey.
I played soccer, baseball, basketball, golf, cross-country, track. Then evolved to mountain biking. Then to climbing. Next is snowboarding and skiing. Then kayaking. But I still shoot hoops every now and then.
Why limit yourself?
Do it all!
Live life.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 27, 2005 - 03:10pm PT
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Ha ha ha ha LOL another classic from the man himself. (Dingus)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Oct 27, 2005 - 03:20pm PT
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Gary,
I am planning on meeting mountain climbing club at Sheeps Pass Sun at 8am.
I was a little league all star in Torrance.
I won some state AYSO Championships
I high jumped 6' 4" in High School
But it was all a waste of time. Would rather my father directed me to the Boy Scouts.
Juan "The Artist" De Fuca
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 27, 2005 - 03:27pm PT
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Darod, you are wasting your breath (fingers/keyboard) trying to explain football to some people.
Yeah, perhaps there is more precision in basketball for exactly the very reason AndyG said, an opposable thumb, so of course there is more control. Duh.
And I do not doubt that if Jordan played soccer as a pro that he would have been damn good, just like if Pele played basketball professionally (despite not having the height) that he would have been damn good. Both of these guys are/were well-tuned athletes dedicated to their sport. Attitude as much as aptitude.
Darod, I played football at/for my university (Cal State Hayward) and I tell you, watching the gridiron players practice, doing wind sprints across the width of the field in full gear in the California August/September sun made me cringe. Most of these guys are good athletes and I wouldn't want to tangle with them down a dark alley, hell even a lit alley. And I tell you, they do hit harder than even Rugby League players, so if I was out there, give me that protective gear.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 27, 2005 - 03:27pm PT
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Juanito,
MJ and I will be there.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2005 - 03:29pm PT
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Yeah, Dingus is rolling lately.
You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him!
Melissa, was that you I pegged with a dodgeball in the fourth grade? hahah Sorry bout that.
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