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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
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Mar 25, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
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Boodawg,
it was a long term human - homonin interaction/feeding situation. The researcher bought the subject's property to control the situation. $$$$ Apparently the local humans were of a criminal nature, then more money changed hands acquiring additional clips from these backwoods folks than should have. Other sh#t went down, vehicle damage, threats, probably some violence etc ... So yes there was a "Kentucky" factor ... there's more to the story of course but I don't know the details.
At one point some bigfoot footage got overwritten with some homemade porn by the Kentucky backwoods couple.
The owner wants this footage to be accepted, so he has already had the critics in to argue the counter point, photoshop, etc. The attempted debunking is going to be part of the final presentation. thats why its taking so long. A number of PhD.s are involved in this production.
Just releasing raw footage has'nt been successful in the past. There is quite a backstory with this one to go with the footage.
Final distribution is an issue too. This guy doing it is already a mega wealthy oil and gas type from Alberta, now a real estate developer in BC. I am sure he is planning to make some serious coinage from this homonin evidence too.
DMT - Obvisouly the surviving species were the shrewdest and likey the deadliest foe. We are a murderous lot to this day
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BooDawg
Social climber
Paradise Island
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:01pm PT
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bmacd: Thanks so much for the additional information. Sounds like there is a story behind the science, perhaps the stuff of which best-sellers and/or academy awards are made... Please post if/when you hear more.
I'm content to let whatever evidence appears be examined by the scientists and lay people alike. Science really isn't based on "facts" anyway. It's a series of VERIFIABLE hypothoses which is why new evidence on any topic is USUALLY welcomed and examined and why what we "know" keeps changing. It's more entertaining than TV anyway...
With aloha.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
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Recently sighted in Vancouver and Whistler. Mass hallucinations. Cover-up by governments and the wealthy. What's not to like?
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 26, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
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Proto-humans living in Kentucky? Who would of thought?
If there really is money in it, I'm taking my camera to Barstow.
So how come there's money in filmed discovery of bigfoot, a new species of human, but when these scientists find a human bone with mitochondrial DNA that actually indicates a new species of human, they don't make millions?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 26, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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The National Geographic site is memory intensive.
The Wiki article on evolutionary bottlenecks was very interesting. I had read about the Toba near extinction theory before. Some people think that the small isolated populations of humans after that event is the period in which modern human "races" developed.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Mar 26, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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I wonder what this does for those that believe everything was created shortly before Mary was empregnated by "god" some 2010 year ago...?
The extinct "hominin" (human-like creature) lived in Central Asia between 48,000 and 30,000 years ago.
we know the scientists are totally making things up when everyone in the science community agrees with the tests we currently use to tell the age of things from long ago!!!
Further Reading Edit:
And they got along just fine back then... why the change in attitude? (selfishness maybe?)
"The discovery raises the intriguing possibility that three forms of human - Homo sapiens, Neanderthals and the species represented by X-woman - could have met each other and interacted in southern Siberia."
Good article Mister E!
cheers
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 26, 2010 - 04:04pm PT
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Why is it that when these matters are discussed people always go automatically to the extremes on either end?
We have GOD-less Atheist Evolutionists, from the Big Bang --> Evolution --> to Present Day.
We have GOD-believing Fundamentalists whom think the Bible is being literal in the Book of Genesis when it tells the story of Creation, and then can back calculate through geneology that the Earth is about 6000 years old (?)
What about Theistic Evolution people? Both views have it right to a degree. The Big Bang is real. Evolution is real. The empirical evidence is overwhelming in many different ways, from many different fields of science. But guess what, the empirical evidence that GOD is real and all powerful is also very real. There are absolutely amazing things that verify the validity of the Word of GOD that can not be explained by science and by mere chance (Biblical Archeology, full-filled prophecy, Bible Code, the Star of Bethlehem, people's changed lives for the better, etc.)
You can attempt to wish it away, and try to make fun and light of it, but it won't go away. You have to look at all the evidence not just some that fits your world view and then ignore the rest. That is intellectual dishonesty.
The answer is in the middle. Theistic Evolution.
The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom (Paperback) by PhD Gerald Schroeder
http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Convergence-Scientific-Biblical/dp/1439129584/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269633262&sr=8-1
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2010 - 04:48pm PT
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jstan
climber
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Mar 26, 2010 - 05:19pm PT
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Finally!
Klimmer has proven, for himself at least, everything is faith.
Klimmer says:
"The answer( to a political question) is in the middle. Theistic Evolution."
When two people discuss something NEITHER may be correct . I would guess this to be the case somewhere between half of the time and all of the time.
Klimmer has to put something into that spot so he puts in the average or the middle.
So we might look more seriously at the hypothesis that there is some subset of the population which
cannot tolerate uncertainty.
So they always plug something, anything, into a slot. God's will, for example.
It may even be a genetic anomaly. Or it could be an experience long ago that challenged survival.
Even in political questions they do the faith based trick and plug something into an empty slot.
This leads to permanent ignorance. All the slots are filed up with debris. When they know more, there is no place to put it.
Climbing may present a very interesting challenge to this psyche. You are looking at a pitch. You don't know whether you can do it. You can just plug in that you can do it and follow the maxim, "When in doubt, run it out."
But this can bring you squarely up against the desire to survive.
So I guess you could say someone who fails in this way and is killed, was expecting to go to their god.
Would be nice if they were right.
Shame they were in such a big hurry though.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 26, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
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radical-
Don't make any assumptions about your family haplotypes until they're tested.They may turn out to be way more interesting than you imagine. Those Norwegians took captives in the past, and Native Americans kidnapped Europeans and European men raped Native women to give you a few examples.Natives and African Americans also mixed a lot in the south.
Also families are pretty good at covering up anomalies. There is a famous example of a Scottish woman who had a Polynesian haplotype. Turned out her g-g-g grandfather was a ship captain who brought a Polynesian wife back which the family had covered up. Also I know from my own research that alarge number of Jews in Europe converted and assimilated and pop up in the most unexpected places.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 26, 2010 - 09:57pm PT
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Icelanders were once considered to be almost pure Nordic, but that turns out to be only half true:
These studies demonstrated that the country seems to have been settled by men from Scandinavia – the vikings – but that the majority of the original female inhabitants were from the coastal regions of Scotland and Ireland, areas that regularly suffered raids by vikings in the years around the settlement of Iceland 1100 years ago.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090116073205.htm
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Mar 27, 2010 - 11:34am PT
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It definitely takes genealogy to another level. The Nat. Geo. kit is easy and inexpensive, makes for a meaningful birthday gift too. As a descendant of immigrants who didn't keep very good records I can't say who my great-great grandparents were, but at least I do know that way back, my ancestors first domesticated horses and developed the proto-Indo-European language. Every haplotype is a voyage of discovery.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 27, 2010 - 12:35pm PT
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radical-
Brian Sykes out of Oxford has related haplotypes to specific groups in Europe and the British Isles in particular. http://www.oxfordancestors.com/content/view/25/43/
I did my haplotype test with him years ago. The National Geographic test is one third the price.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 27, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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One more thing to mention.
They do DNA testing for dogs now too!
This is mostly for breeders to prove purity of line, but is also available to people who want to know what mixture their mutt is.
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