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gunsmoke
Trad climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:37am PT
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Where have you been...the process was legal and used many times before by republicans.
That is not accurate. The one good case cited to Republicans was the use of reconciliation to pass welfare reform. I don't have time to go into all the noteworthy points, but chief among them is that the legislation was signed by a President from the OTHER party.
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gunsmoke
Trad climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:40am PT
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"Here is a start.
http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff.htm"
mrtropy, come on. That's not a credible reply. Distill your 10,000 page reference to a paragraph that I can understand sometime this side of next week.
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Thom
Trad climber
South Orange County, CA
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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Faannntastic! Truely awesome! Can't wait for the 16,500 new IRS agents to be hired and begin enforcing that $2250 fine or 2.5% of your income for not having health insurance. I mean, really, with the average annual cost of the mandated "qualifying" insurance estimated at +/- $14,000 for a family of four, and nobody being turned away for health care, why would anyone actually buy the insurance; better to just pay the fine each year - much less expensive.
Caterpillar estimated its' costs at over $100,000,000 per year to comply with the government mandated health coverage. Layoffs totalling approximately 20,000 jobs were announced in January; expect more to come now. Extrapolate this throughout the Fortune 500 and there's likely a tidalwave of new unemployment coming. Of course, these companies have options: for instance, they could simply discontinue employee healthcare coverage and pay the government a straight 8% cut of their profits to help fund the government health program that their employees would then be forced into, despite being told we could keep the coverage we had if we wanted to.
What a bunch of lying, deceitful, corrupt bastards - the whole lot of them, both sides of the isle.
I guess all we can do now is wait to see what actually happens. They couldn't run Medicare or Medicaid, what makes you think they can run this mess?
T.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:42am PT
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A Trillion Dollars and not one new doctor is hired, yet we get 16,500 new IRS agents.
You're a first-class dupe if you think this is being done for your benefit.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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Honest question... because I don't know whats on the current agenda...
but if you don't have healthcare (me), what does this mean? I don't want to pay for healthcare, am I going to be fined? Honestly, I am not quite sure what is current.... thanks guys.
edit - just read above, at least I don't make sh!t, 2.5% of my income would be like 500 bucks... cheaper to pay the fine then. Time to work under the table and make y'all work for ME!
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Thom
Trad climber
South Orange County, CA
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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Yes GDavis, you will be fined, unless you don't have a job. So if one's goal is to be jobless, not contributing nor producing anything of value for society, yet freely avail themselves of healthcare - at my expense - I'd say that person was worthy of having their a$$ kicked.
T.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:56am PT
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GDavis,
That's how it works now.
That $500 you worked hard to earn, and would have made for a cool Road-Trip, belongs to The Government now.
You Won!!!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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You own a car, you drive it, you have to buy insurance.
You have a body, you live in it, you have to buy insurance. Everyone has insurance, the cost goes down instead of so many people having to use the emergency rooms.
In this case Gdavis, if you are poor and do not make that much, then there will be financial help to afford the insurance.
Hey Chaz, you use to say that if I didn't like what was happening in America I should move. You ready to move yet?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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Hey, 500 bucks is a good deal for me. Why should I have to pay anything? I don't make sh!t. You should all have to pay for it for me.
what is the financial help? If its financing.. I'm still paying that amount, its just over time. if its a grant, sweet! Make someone else do it lol.
My climbing gear isn't insured, and its worth about six times as much as my car. : /
If my gear gets lost or stolen I'll just organize a ST fundraiser. Yay! haha! I'm glad I saved up some cash tho. I want to be a dirtbag and chill out at JT, RRG, etc. Unemployment + free healthcare... time to live the dream! :D y'all are fukked tho.
I'm serious, this makes my life CAKE! hehehe.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:05am PT
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Oh, right on man. See you in JT again? At least I think that was you, it seemed like you recognized me, but never introduced yourself... all part and parcel I guess.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:07am PT
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Mr Moosie writes:
"Hey Chaz, you use to say that if I didn't like what was happening in America I should move. You ready to move yet?"
I never said that.
If you think I'm wrong, argue against what I'm writing, but if you want to build yourself a strawman, please don't put my name on it.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:08am PT
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GDavis,
You're going to get the same care any other un-insured person gets, only now it'll cost you $500.
You WON!!!
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:10am PT
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GDavis, if you aren't late on car reg , you are half way there!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:14am PT
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By some miracle, I passed smog. Gonna trade in the 300zx for an astrovan, if I can.
All kidding and bullshitting aside, when does this take effect even? Not for 3 years. Lets wait and see what really happens. Good dialogue tho lol.
Naw Wes, guess it wasn't you. Some guy (really nice, i thought) came up to me and we talked for a bit, he recognized me from here, and I believe he works at Davis for some form of Water Conservation(?) project. I seem to remember that being you're field, maybe its just a hobby of yours. Either way, like six times people have recognized me at that shop from my avatar... but no one wants to tell me who they are :( am I mean?
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gunsmoke
Trad climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:15am PT
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Arguing with brainless Fox News morons makes eating my own soft morning sh#t look appealing.
Pate, looks like name calling is the preferred tactic, huh?
Sorry for the delay in responding. I was reading my kids a Bible myth before putting them to bed.
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gunsmoke
Trad climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:18am PT
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Ah, how sad it must be to live in your black and white world. I feel for you man, really.
weschrist, when you distill a multifaceted system into one sentence, it's going to come off as black and white, not shades of gray. The other option is to fully develop the thought into a post that no one wants to read.
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Tahoe climber
climber
Davis these days
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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It sort of seems like a lot of other countries can make this work w/o blowing up. Maybe it's time. I dunno.
If the best criticism to be found is finding the exceptions and exploiting a rare occurrence, then maybe this is a good system.
What we had wasn't the best thing I've ever seen.
Maybe this is a step towards figuring out what works.
TC
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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GDavis, I haven't reviewed the current iteration, but last I looked, it included a subsidy for those not making a sufficient income. I believe that for a couple, the floor was set at $80,000/yr. So you should probably fall into the subsidy set.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:40am PT
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This will establish and secure health care as a right in this country.
I never expected that it would cure right-wing fear-mongering and idiocy.
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