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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:30am PT
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What an exciting world it would be if the lack of "mechanisms" moved humans down from the top of the food chain.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:32am PT
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But isn't a sharpened stick a 'mechanism'? Neanderthals were
pretty lethal with them and Pygmies were still taking down
pachies with 'em until recently.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:35am PT
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Right you are LEB, I will substitute "Religious" for "Caucasian" as the relevant parameter.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:44am PT
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leb get your facts straight-that Jackass didnot go out studying polar bears, he studied grizzly bears on the kenai peninsula.
That said-
dktem you pretty much said it all-an amendment giving militias the right to bear arms, how did that mean each individual private citizen. i don't buy that.
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:47am PT
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Well, you all wanted change.
I'm just glad the article was fair and balanced, good job LA Times!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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Hahahaha,
What's minerals gonna mount on the deathstar, a 40 cal???
LEB, shutup
kev
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:55am PT
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I wonder which will be first - person uses legally possessed firearm to thwart a crime in a national park
or
a person uses a legally possessed firearm to commit a crime in a national park....
Anybody's guess. But I do know which event will get the most media attention.
from the article: Visitors now can pack heat in any national park from Gates of the Arctic to Everglades, provided they comply with the firearms laws of the park's home state, according to the new law that was passed as an amendment to credit-card legislation.
Then the article goes on to imply that it will be legal to carry a cocealed weapon in Yosemite. But yosemite is in California where a concealed carry permit is nearly impossible to obtain.
I don't expect much to change, which is fine.
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pc
climber
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Feb 22, 2010 - 11:56am PT
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From the article Flouride posted:
"...according to the new law that was passed as an amendment to credit-card legislation."
!!!!!??? Slimey frickin' politicans. I hate this blackmailing aspect of our system.
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skychild
Trad climber
Birmingham, Alabama
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:06pm PT
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Leb, stay in pennsyltucky with the rest of the hillbillies. If you feel you need to pack heat in a Nat'l park maybe you should stay at home. I've been going to Nat'l park for 35 years and have never felt the need to be armed... but with all the rednecks carrying guns I don't feel safe anymore. It's bad enough that the law enforcement officers carry weapons... but they're trained. A bunch of drunk vacationers carrying guns is a recipe for disaster. Check your short Leb you may think you're a woman but by the sound of it you sound you might be packing something in your pants. Just sayin' Don
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:08pm PT
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"Safety" is an illusion.
Don't feed the trolls.
Non event.
Cheers!
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Robb
Social climber
The Greeley Triangle
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
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We're on it!!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:21pm PT
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Boy, you're not gonna deny those kids the car keys, eh?
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:21pm PT
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I don't expect much to change, which is fine.
I agree that this won't change 99% of the National Park experience for most folks.
But it will make the rangers' job more complicated, as they will have to understand and enforce the complicated laws. And it will add more burden to the courts who will have to sort out all the disputes over the details. Like DMT pointed out, it is still not clear when it would ever be legal to fire a weapon in an NP.
And for what benefit? I don't think crime in NPs was really much a a problem that folks really need more personal protection. And any resistance against a rouge military-led government (what the 2nd amendment was meant to protect us from) is probably not going to occur in a NP. So what's the point?
This new legislation just demonstrates a lack of priorities in our govt. right now. There are bigger things going on in the country.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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You Americans are f*#king psychotic when it comes to guns.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:35pm PT
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Guns.....
Ho feck have I got a chub now!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
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Was that the Liaird Hot Springs 'incident'? I thought they let him
slide? I could be wrong and wouldn't doubt it.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
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"You Americans are f*#king psychotic when it comes to guns." So what is your excuse?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
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Excuse me. I meant to say "You Americans are f*#king psychotic when it comes to guns, violence, and paranoia."
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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What Ksolem said… This is really no big deal.
Yosemite is still in Kalifornistan.
Not a big fan of the .40 cal, Kev.
LEB, residents of the free lands can own a semi-automatic “assault rifle” for legal personal use (but not for illegal personnel use...). Jump through a couple of small hoops and give the ATFE $200 and you can legally own a (transferable) fully automatic “assault rifle” or machine gun. Welcome to America.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Feb 22, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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yeah MH, its why we like to make war on people and you Canadians are probably next if you don't watch your language.
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