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Ian Parsons
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It features in at least two Ellis Brigham catalogues (UK); both are pre-Whillans Harness, so probably 1968-1970. It appears on the front cover of the first; in the second it is listed as a Salewa product. I don't know to what extent Salewa are or were then a manufacturer, as distinct from a company that outsources products to be manufactured under their own label. As the piton-ring wouldn't require the sort of specifications to which, for instance, a karabiner has to conform, it's probably more likely that, if outsourced, it would have been made by a local small engineering company than another climbing hardware producer.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2010 - 12:06pm PT
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Thanks Stephane!
Mystery solved.
You probly have one in your museum, but if you don't, e-mail me your address.
I've got a boat to catch - later all.
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Bonjour willie!
I found some more information for you. There is a drawing of your Piton Carrier in the book, Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Mountaineering, by Peter Crew, published in 1968. I also found a photograph of this anneau porte-pitons (piton ring) in the book, Alpinisme Moderne, published in France in 1971.
I do not have this first generation in the collection. I am fortunate to have the second generation. While digging deeper in my archives, I found its name: Schani. There is not any manufacturer name stamped on my sample but, as Ian Parsons, I suspect that it was made in West Germany, maybe by Salewa.
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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mangdangler
Mountain climber
Bellingham, Wa
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Willie and his hammer..
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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willie!!!!!
Ice climber
honolulu, hawaii
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2010 - 12:24am PT
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Awesome photo, Nutstory!!!!
I've fondeled and wondered about that thing for a long time.
Now it is in the mail to your weird address! Enjoy, now you have the set. I haven't used it since I dropped that screw.
MANGER!!!!! What's up man?!?!?
Nice rare photo of aids willie! You should take it down though. Most of these guys' little sisters could hike that section in bunny boots!
Hope you're well, and headed up for the season! Email me through here!
Later.
The Mangler (front) and Willie!!!
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mangdangler
Mountain climber
Bellingham, Wa
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Feb 16, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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good times willie.. ill be up on mar 27th.. ready to rumble..
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Mar 31, 2010 - 02:58am PT
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Bonjour willie!
The old Piton Carrier that you kindly sent me reached Corsica safely yesterday! I thank you very much for enhancing my collection with such an amazing and rare item. As promised, here is a photograph of these two little guys with a selection of Cassin soft steel pitons. As you can see, your Piton Carrier has found a good family here in Corsica…
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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Cool!
I wasn't around to see this, and also just saw your e-mail.
My pleasure. I'm sure your collection is amazing. Wish I could see it sometime.
Peace.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Way to play it forward, Willie!
Hey, when you're around, anywhere between Reno/Tahoe and Tuolumne East Side, and want to take on the High Sierras, PM me. Would love to climb with ya.
HFCS
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2010 - 12:34am PT
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SG - Isn't it? I love old gear and have already shown that thing to everyone I know. Thank YOU for all the cool old articles and stuff.
I, too, am curious about those pins. I've never seen those.
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Totally, HFCS! You're always welcome up here as well.
(Edited to preserve thread integrity)
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Bonjour willie & Steve Grossman!
Yes, the Cassin shortest pitons were designed to fit a drilled hole like a bolt. They were called (in French) “pitons à compression”. Stubai, Charlet-Moser, Salewa produced similar contraction bolts in Europe.
As you know my main field of research is the clean protection, but I must confess that I have a modest collection of old pitons at home… I guess that we must change the subject of this topic now: “Old Piece of Gear (not the pins)” for “Old Piece of Gear (and the pins too)”…
I took these photographs for Joseph Healy some time ago. Enjoy:
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2010 - 03:43am PT
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Dude!!!!!
You rule. That's why I sent you that piece.
Where to begin!?
In the first photo, what is that "pointsmashedheartshaped biner type thing"?
I totally understand those square dowel pitons for drilled holes! At work, I often pound whittled, square pieces of cedar into roto-hammered, round holes in concrete to accept transition strip nails. The oversized corners bite the circle hard! Cool!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 11, 2010 - 03:36pm PT
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Thanks for the response, Stephane!
I had a hunch that you might be nuts for pitons, too!
How many carabiners?!?
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Apr 15, 2010 - 03:12am PT
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Bonjour willie!
I contacted my friend Hermann Huber about the Piton-Carrier. Hermann managed the famous German company Salewa for many years. I am delighted to share Hermann’s reply with you:
The German name HAKENSCHANI was a somewhat strange "artificial" name, composed from Haken = piton + Schani = no meaning in proper German, but a dialect expression of Bavarian-Austrian origin describing a man who may be some sort of server/servil guy/helper (nothing exactly precise). Also… Schani may nearly symbolize german "Scharnier" = pivoting device (sometimes I liked a bit of "word playing").
I am sure that you will enjoy reading such first hand information.
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Apr 15, 2010 - 04:08am PT
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Wow, that was quite the array of pitons, Stephane. Very cool stuff. I could try to imagine the various uses for all that stuff. The various interpretations of the rurp are very interesting. More stuff?
Willie, I had a hammer just like that one and took it on several walls; great for cleaning and head work.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 15, 2010 - 08:47am PT
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Great thread!
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Edge
Trad climber
New Durham, NH
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Apr 15, 2010 - 08:57am PT
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I love threads like this!
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