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taorock
Trad climber
Okanogan, WA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
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when balaclavas are outlawed only outlaws will wear balaclavas
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
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Priests wear what looks like a dress.
I know you're not that ignorant, I've met you before. The bottom line here is that France doesn't want people walking around with their faces covered. Look at the link from the OP.
They (and I) aren't argueing against religious wear that still shows your face. Amazing too how quickly so many of you defend religious freedoms all of the sudden....wow!
Don't you guys realize France and Britain have a problem right now that they're just discovering they let fester too long.
Britain is next...then Holland.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
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So every traditionally dress Muslem female has C4 strapped to her tummy?
That is the thought and attitude that blows.
I know you jokers make light of this and say people like me are "living in fear" (i'm not). What would be your next move as a terrorist. If they claim religious sanctimony in searching women, wouldn't you use that to your advantage? They have in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan!
Why not here? Getting on a plane, a husband easily sacrifices his slave wife to Islam. Easy.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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^^^beyond contempt^^^
Edit: One above the link.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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Why is that, Gene? Explain.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:25pm PT
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My thoughts on this whole thing are that the ones protesting the wearing of burkas are usually the people that need to wear them the most.
Bluering, picture your beard and stache on some poor moslem woman, and then you understand the purpose of the burkha, and why her husband would require her to wear it. It's the equivalent of the american paper sack, so whats next, the outlawing of paper sacks?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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Ya mean I'd haveta 'come out'?
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Gene
Social climber
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:32pm PT
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Simple, Bluey,
A God given right of every person on this globe is freedom of expression and the freedom to follow what that individual believes in regard to God. Or no god, if that's the case. Fact.
Banning certain dress of a specific {locally unpopular} religion goes against this basic human right. Fact.
Dude, I buy my beers from a Sikh fellow down the block. He wears a turban. He won’t wear a green one or a black one. Why? Green, to him and his bros in faith, represents Islam, while black is the color of the devil. Want to mandate his dress code?
Mormons have a type of religious specific garment. Wanna ban that?
My eldest sister is a Catholic nun. You try getting her veil away from her.
Some folks in Central Europe back in the 1930’s and 40’s mandated a dress code for a certain religion. Wanna go there?
People have a God-given right to follow their beliefs, and if that include the garments they wear, then so be it.
Gene
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
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What about the underwear bomber? Should we ban underwear?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:45pm PT
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More evidence in support of an underwear ban:
Kubus was caught by wildlife officials at Christchurch International Airport on South Island in December, about to board an overseas flight with 44 geckos and skinks in a hand-sewn package concealed in his underwear.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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A God given right of every person on this globe is freedom of expression and the freedom to follow what that individual believes in regard to God. Or no god, if that's the case. Fact.
Banning certain dress of a specific {locally unpopular} religion goes against this basic human right. Fact.
Gene, my whole premise is that these women are oppressed and threatened to wear this garb. I don't think it's a 'choice', rather a demand by their overbearing husbands who choose to make them second-class citizens, which is what they look like in that crap!!!
Any real liberal should oppose this crap! Everyone should. It's condescending. You can only be a 'real Islamic woman' if you wear those chains?
Bullshit!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:49pm PT
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A God given right of every person on this globe is freedom of expression and the freedom to follow what that individual believes in regard to God. Or no god, if that's the case. Fact.
Banning certain dress of a specific {locally unpopular} religion goes against this basic human right. Fact.
Gene, my whole premise is that these women are oppressed and threatened to wear this garb. I don't think it's a 'choice', rather a demand by their overbearing husbands who choose to make them second-class citizens, which is what they look like in that crap!!!
Any real liberal should oppose this crap! Everyone should. It's condescending. You can only be a 'real Islamic woman' if you wear those chains?
Bullshit!
(reposted from previous page....Cragman bumped me...)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:53pm PT
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A veil on a woman's face is as sure a sign of a beat-down as are bruises on a woman's face.
Even if they say they want to wear such a stupid thing, it's only because their natural self-esteem was beaten out of them.
Good for France!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:53pm PT
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Thinking that banning people's religious clothes will moderate religion and not create a backlash is madness. Ban Crosses in the US (if you could) and see what happens!
You think having to uncover her face changes the dynamic of a female suicide bomber? How? When yur gonna die, it don't matter.
Let Religions evolve and grow up on their own. Forcing anything on them just makes them dig their heels in
Freedom....It not just for you
Plenty of religious terrorism oppressing women is here in the US according to folks offended by protesters (and bombers) of abortion clinics. When laws were enacted keeping protesters from getting too close to clinics for security reasons, the same folks cheering the French were crying foul
Peace
Karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 09:57pm PT
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Again, what gets me here is that we haven't HEARD FROM ANY Supertopo women here. And all the people who hate religious rights keep saying this is acceptable.
I guess as long as it ain't Christian chix, it's cool...I wonder what these wonderful people think of gays, or animal rights???
As for the Sihk's...they're Hindu's man, why ya gotta bring that into it? All the sihks I've met are cool and embrace the American lifestyle here. They practice their religion and accept ours. That's America, Johnson!!!
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Thinking that banning people's religious clothes will moderate religion and not create a backlash is madness. Ban Crosses in the US (if you could) and see what happens!
This is where you're wrong. Equating crosses with Burqas is pretty weak...in this country.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 10:02pm PT
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Plenty of religious terrorism oppressing women is here in the US according to folks offended by protesters (and bombers) of abortion clinics. When laws were enacted keeping protesters from getting too close to clinics for security reasons, the same folks cheering the French were crying foul
The equivocator never fails...
Publicly protesting the killing of children in the late term is equivalent to making women wear bed-sheets.
Your equivocation is tiresome sometimes, Karl.
How many schools were blown up in Pakistan/Afghanistan because they were girls schools????
Is that okay??? They was like 2 abortion freaks in the past 20 years???? Your argument is lame...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 26, 2010 - 10:09pm PT
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You raise a good point, Pate.
While I love the 'female bikini region', that is where Islam disagrees with us and where they hate us. And I agree a bit with them.
We have become too perverted as a society. Slutty women are everywhere, and Islam hates that. It's perversion and temptation. They hate that. That's why they cover their chix in sheets.
I disagree with that. People should learn to control themselves and not have gov't dictate the realms of perversion, in this regard....
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
Currently in San Diego
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Jan 26, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
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Forcing anyone to wear or not wear anything is not the business of any government.
As it applies to the facial coverings that some Muslim women are forced to wear, the government ought to seek to ensure that those women have the right to choose how to dress, and confront the problem which is the marginalization of women in some Islamic sects.
The Burqa is a symptom, not a problem itself.
As far as the dresses and sheets and all that, if people want to shop for their clothes at Omar the Tent-Makers, thats up to them. While it irritates me when I see kids who wear their pants down below their asses, I would not sit by and let any governmental official attempt to mandate dress codes.
Although, as Ontheedge pointed out, this is all pretty moot as it relates to our legal system since it wouldn't fly here.
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zeta
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jan 26, 2010 - 10:26pm PT
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blue:
Again, what gets me here is that we haven't HEARD FROM ANY Supertopo women here. And all the people who hate religious rights keep saying this is acceptable.
my opinion is on the first page. I think ST women don't generally respond to posts like this because it just escalates...and ends up being the same folks who rant the same old opinions in almost any political post.
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