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Mimi
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:15am PT
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Yikes! This is beyond comprehension. Can't wait to see these whackjobs in person at Woodson!
You people need help. Or more tin foil.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:24am PT
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I would like for klimmer and others of his persuasion to do me a little favour. As I'm not particularly bright, I want them to post three bits of information.
1. What is the "bible code" - that is, exactly how do you take a hodge podge of manuscripts from the 3rd - 5th centuries C.E., mostly written in dialect Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew, translate them, convert them into a matrix, and then "read" them? What tools do you use to translate, convert, and read, and why do you use them?
In other words, what is the empirical basis of the so-called code?
2. Using only the tools that you claim allow one to read this "code" into the bible, please use them to forecast another event. Date, place, what happens. Be accurate - you will be held to the result. If the code can't predict future as well as past events, it's useless even if it's correct.
3. You claim that the "code", in hindsight, allowed you to predict terrorist attacks in 2001. Those were relatively minor events in world-historical terms, looking at the last 2,000 years. There have been many more significant events, whether looking it from a historical or a christian perspective. Please show how all those significant events were predicted by the "code".
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:43am PT
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AirFones, dumbasses, AirFones.
30 watt transmitters, with external antennas.
AirFones != cell phones.
Most calls were made on AirFones. You know, the phone in each row that took a credit card.
Now why would the conspirators fake a few cell-phone calls when the planes had AirFones?
And I've had reception on Whitney and in the White Mountain area with a digital phone. Analog line of sight is even better.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:51am PT
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More Holes in the Official Story:
The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
I've posted this before on ST . . .
The Bible is the inspired word of GOD. To paraphrase the NT is says men spoke and wrote as they were inspired by God, the Holy Ghost. (I'll find the verse and post it later.)
They are words beyond our abilty to write. Yes GOD does use man to write his word, they are the scribes, but he is the author. He can do this with anyone he chooses and who is receptive to his spirit. The words are God's words and can only be fully understood by those who have that personal close relationship to God and his spirit.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it is beyond statistical probability to happen by chance, it is impossible. The Bible Code and other mathematical techniques do prove the Bible is not the work of men. The Bible is authored by GOD. So many ways this can be verified: prophecy fullfillment, Bible Code, mathematical patterns throughout the Bible that are beyond statistical chance, biblical-archeology discoveries, the absolute positive change in people's lives when they come to be forgiven by God and begin a relationship with him (real testimony), science does indeed bear witness to Bible truths, and where it doesn't seem to, then our understanding is limited in some way at this time.
Like I have said before, for ultimate science truth, science needs to grow closer to God, and Christians or believers need to grow closer to science.
You can not sweep this under a rug and make it go away . . .
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code:
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 1 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blbLke9kLIk&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=0&playnext=1
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 2 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwMM3-UfuQo&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=1
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 3 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHuEG4nDR0Q&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=2
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 4 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIadU4uz7m8&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=3
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 5 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C53YCyAqGU&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=4
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 6 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coHmbONyiHU&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=5
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 7 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIWRjt23tI4&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=6
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 8 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km8y10KG-TQ&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=7
Encounters with the Unexplained - Secrets of the Bible Code 9 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RLPhL34RYs&feature=PlayList&p=2FD8CDED3E0DC0A0&index=8 |
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apogee
climber
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:54am PT
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"I don't know religion from a Little Rascals episode..."
That has to be the best line I've heard all week.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:56am PT
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"It just looks like an infinite crossword puzzle to me."
Could be in the running, too.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2009 - 03:09am PT
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Rokjox,
Good call. (he-he, pun)
The David Ray Griffin article on Ted Olson's fabricated call from his wife. Lies on top of lies.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Dec 17, 2009 - 03:26am PT
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You guys obviously need more tinfoil, have never flown, or you just got your first cell phone.
Do you even know what the real range of a cell phone is?
Do you know the actual angles a cell tower antenna can broadcast or receive?
All your talking points are based on false assumptions and faulty logic.
As soon as we land on the moon you'll see.
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 17, 2009 - 10:27am PT
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Preface: here's another nutjob blowing smoke....
Fundamental technology of cell phones circa 9/11 should not have inhibited cell phone usage. The speed of signaling for hand-offs between towers is fraction of a second; as long as plane stays in a cell that long, it's OK. Cell tower antennas are the main issue, and it makes engineering sense that power would be directed parallel to the ground to maximize signal range, but there could be plenty of leakage over the course of a mile or more to get a signal up in the air.
Proving there's no cell signal in one flight does nothing to prove there is no cell signal everywhere. I think the dropped signal Klimmer reported is more related to leaving a metro area than rising above 2500 feet.
Skip, congrats on company, but MCSE + CNE + CCNP teach you almost nothing about cell phone technology. Neither does CCIE.
Doh... I almost blew my cover with a vanity sign-off using my CCIE number! But I still get points for the vanity :) That said, I'd rather be wallowing in my millions than be smug with my certification.
Oh, here's a number I can post! My high school football jersey said 50 on it in JV, and then 35 in varsity.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 17, 2009 - 11:36am PT
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I hear that one can get remarkable deals by buying tin foil in bulk at Costco.
But the some of you guys already know that.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 17, 2009 - 11:41am PT
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Absolute maximum range for standard GSM is 35 km. This is dictated by the Timing Advance range being restricted to values between zero and 63, with each step corresponding to 553.5 metres from the tower.
Configuring the available timeslots in pairs, Extended Range GSM gives 72 km usable range, but lacks GPRS capability, and halves the number of concurrent calls possible. Using more sensitive BTS receivers, Enhanced Extended Range GSM been demonstrated to be usable at 120 km (with the same drawbacks as ER).
Within these limits, usable range will depend of BTS design and power, antenna orientation, elevation, topography (obstructions), and many other factors (including the moisture content of any intervening foliage).
This said, most antennas and transmitters operate at an effective range of around 10 miles or so given no intervening obstructions. More than enough to hit a plane flying at the low lever the planes in 9/11 were.
Skip
Save it Skip, some folks are convinced there's a bogeyman behind every corner and you'll never convince them otherwise.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:05pm PT
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Roks, even Klimmer admits to getting a signal for a while after takeoff and before landing.
Why is it so damn impossible for, say 50 people, using a variety of cell phones, making multiple attempts,in known cell phone corridors for only a couple to get through?
The rest were made on AirFones.
And why fake cell-phone calls when there were AirFones. Were they all faked?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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That's wrong Rox. AirFones were scheduled to be removed on one of the planes, but had not been removed.
You've been sucked in by DRG lies.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:20pm PT
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Just google 911 Airfones.
Try 911 Airfones drg
Here's from the first link, a Truther site:
"Later, however, DRG received two items suggesting that, although AA 757s did not have onboard phones in 2004, they probably did in 2001."
More info abut the removal, after 911:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1033-831093.html
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:33pm PT
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My experiment after coming to the truth before the election of 2004, with a cell phone of circa 2000/2001 Nokia technology only received a signal from about 2500 ft and below. Above that altitude, absolutely no bars of any kind the entire cross-country flight both ways. By the way, I also had the antenae out to maximize the signal.
We can argue this over and over but there are others who have gone into the cell phone issue and the impossibility of it ocurring. And until you are able to admit that Barbara Olson did not make a cell phone call from flight 77 to her lying husband who is deep in bed with Bush/Neocons and the GOP, then there really isn't anything to talk about.
I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. There are others who have proven the cell phones on the flights are invalid, and have gone into the physics and the technology at that time.
Perhaps we can search and find the best links and post them here regarding this issue. But then would many of you OCTers really care, and would you read it? I'm thinking you wouldn't.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Dec 17, 2009 - 12:55pm PT
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Well, if you are right Klimmer, then you have got to hand it to the devotion of those neocons. Giving up the truth about your wife's murder all for the sake of a coverup! That takes some dedication!
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hooblie
climber
sounding out stuff , in the manner of crickets
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Dec 17, 2009 - 01:12pm PT
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in the '99-'02 period i had a dual band nokia on at&t that was both analog and digital. the congestion on the cell system was non existant west of fairbanks, there could only have been towers in the area with power, and no reason to do anything extraordinary outside the urban area. i routinely got coverage on the analog side till 60-70 miles out while airbone in a tube and fabric aircraft.
also, i purchased a lot in 2001 where the analog signal could only have been coming from flagstaff at 50 miles, bounced between volcanoes, or line of site from the mountain behind williams at 30+ miles, or in later years, grand canyon at 20+ through the trees.
i never knew for certain which tower i was hooked up on, but judging by the signal being interrupted if my head intervened twixt
phone & flagstaff, while a 30 inch wide pinon trunk blocked my view of the williams tower, i'd bet on the flag reflection.
the installation of a tower within 5 miles with only digital, requiring me to switch to gsm does not cover the half of that lot which is behind a gentle slope. working solo, looking to the cell system as a lifeline...well, so much for progress. good battery life tho... big deal
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 17, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
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Please someone tell me where David Ray Griffin is wrong:
Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
by David Ray Griffin
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514
Tell me who is lying?
When you can answer that question honestly for yourself you are on the way to knowing the truth, 9-11 MIHOP.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Dec 17, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
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Klimmer, do ya think anyone could change the mind of of a Bible Code believer on anything?
That's about as funny as Nature asking you for links so he could make up his own mind.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
the land of puppies and waterfalls and rainbows
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Dec 17, 2009 - 02:01pm PT
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So cute....
Two grown, grey-haired, impotent, incontinent men arguing over ham radios and cell phones, debating stuff that is an aside from the real issue.
It's like puppies wrestling over a toy, cute but totally stupid.
You need a cookie?
Hmmm...? Do you two want a cookie?
It's ok, it's almost time for your metamucil/levitra dosage.
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