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BeeHay
Trad climber
San Diego CA
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Dec 26, 2009 - 11:08pm PT
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"Commercial profit" at ten bucks a head?
hahahahahahaha!
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BeeHay
Trad climber
San Diego CA
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Dec 26, 2009 - 11:22pm PT
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"stupid drunk people and chaos"
How can you tell an Irish funeral from an Irish wedding?
One less drunk!
(doesn't mean anything, I just like that joke)
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 29, 2009 - 12:01am PT
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I talked to the guy running the event(Yishai Horowitz) to see if Bridwell could get a booth/tent/table to sell some stuff;...and he got the thumbs up. Also, he asked if Jim and I would do a slide show, and we both agreed;...so Medusa;..yeah, I do have something invested in this Carnival now, ...so I want to see you there for mine and Jim's support.....(You know I'm just giving you a hard time, Jeff;....we are unrefined desert hillbillies our here;....you know;...you are out here all the time anyways....). Jim's showing his DVD "Bridwell;..the living ledgend"...on Fri Night ( I believe) Jan 1st...(If you haven't seen it....the long aid fall Jim takes, caught on film, is worth the $10 entrance for the whole weekend...)...and a chance to meet the Father of Modern Yosemite Big Wall climbing....well;......not something you can even put a price on, is it?.......Now for the REAL excitement;....MY slideshow;....Sat. Night, Jan 2nd (I believe).....Randy Leavitt slide show and this kid Jordan who has climbed 5 of the 7 summits......lots of entertainment....plus Cactus Pricks, Techno Hillbillies, Shawn Mafia, and others.......support you local climbers and musicians.........it will be fun. See you there.....I post again to confirm dates and times for Jim and my presentations....
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10b4me
Ice climber
Ice Caves at the Sads
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Dec 29, 2009 - 12:35am PT
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where are the slide shows taking place?
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2009 - 01:22am PT
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Todd, thanks for your support.
The entire event (slideshows and all) will be behind Coyote Corner as you go through the main entrance of the park. You cannot miss it.
I will not be going because I have these little guys to take care of:
Someone asked how Pine Mountain went. It went so well we did it again this year with no opposition from anyone, and a full invite back from the landowner and forest service both last year and this year. In fact, Patagonia, at the last minute, issued us an apology (I also understand that the original spearhead of the opposition is no longer employed there, but that could be unrelated). Access Fund came back quietly at the last minute, too. Lots of people at OR apologized to us for buying into the drama.
Ask your friends that attended how it went.
As someone said, Yishai does this because he likes doing it, and sadly, while he does well in Adventure Racing and other stuff, climbing events are not so good. Originally this event was free, but the sponsors all wanted to play "wait and see" and he was going to lose money big time on it because he doesn't believe in cutting corners on the attendee's experience, so to break even, he's charging money. He still does these because he is a climber and he wants people to have a good time. This is the same guy that runs a non-profit bouldering gym with me (and if the Spot claims to be the best, I will boastfully challenge them on our new gym)and we operated it totally for free for six years and now only get a pittance for a full time job that stops both of us from getting better paying jobs - because we believe in community building.
I wonder what the naysayers do to try to make a living. Does it make people happy? I respect the hell out of him for trying to do that - so much so that I donate a lot of my free time to helping him keep doing it. I hope one day he can actually pay the bills with events. Some of us are willing to forgo creature comforts to do things for others. It drives me up the wall that some people don't have the capacity to understand that people exist not always to steal your money willfully.
Bottom line, All Out Events ain't the man, man. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelax.
Have another puppy photo:
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Dec 29, 2009 - 02:13am PT
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Mac, did the 2nd Pine Mtn event get posted on Supertopo?
cheers,
M
ps- good luck on the Carnival, sounds great!
Pat Brennan!!! whoa! wish I could get down that way now... Seriously... that guy has done some fun stuff and is such a character. That should be fun.
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2009 - 02:16am PT
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Munge, no. We decided the audience wasn't who was probably coming anyway, and why start more drama?
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 29, 2009 - 03:24am PT
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Randy Leavitt
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Dec 29, 2009 - 03:43am PT
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Those are some precious shots of the puppy babies!! Got to give it up and support those "Cactus Pricks" I wish I could be there...
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Dec 29, 2009 - 04:09am PT
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"or at least down the street at the Pit"
I wouldn't count on this. The Pit has been packed all fall and I'm sure this weekend it's a zoo. It's seriously overrun. I'd think this weekend being a holiday it'll be really packed.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Dec 29, 2009 - 08:42am PT
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I think this would be one weekend where the BLM lakebed would be a place to have a camppool...
Not that it matters to me, but will the festival have a New Years Day Hangover Brunch? I think that would be a really cool thing for some deep-pockets manufacturer to sponsor.
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Steve L
Gym climber
SUR
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Dec 29, 2009 - 10:29am PT
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The pit is totally overrun with n00bs and people who don't give a sh-t about the place. People keep directing everyone there, but you are just ensuring that the place gets shut down. If you're going to direct people to out of the park options, send them to the lake bed. Please DO NOT direct them anywhere else - the pit or otherwise. Please don't mention other locations on a public forum either.
Yes, there are thousands of climbs in the park; however, even thousands of climbs are a finite resource. Crowds keep coming and coming - I realize its inevitable. But when you keep directing folks to the out of the way crag or climb, or the secret camping spot, you are just asking for the place to become overrun. In the past, climbing has been a fringe sport, so there was little threat of crowds ruining areas. Sorry folks, but climbing is mainstream now, as mainstream as surfing is. Have you been to a so cal break lately? Most spots are virtually unsurfable because of the crowds. There is simply not enough room in the water. Think that can't happen to a popular climbing destination like JT? You locals have seen how the crowds have exploded over the last few years. Where do you think that ends? Keep the herd corraled in HV, no need to have the out of the way spots ruined too.
This used to be a secret spot:
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 29, 2009 - 11:16am PT
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Certain places tend to get crowded;.....
As for the Pit.....well;...it aint' called the Pit for nothing.....Especially for a down-town event;....the dry lake bed is close....the roadside cragging is as popular as ever;...climbers on the rock like ants on a cookie...the back country stuff is quiet as ever;....and I go mostly back country and never see a soul.......ever.......and I go on the weekends when one is more likely to see others;.....
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
In the mountains... somewhere...
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Dec 29, 2009 - 11:36am PT
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Jesus Kristin, I can't believe you let that thing breed! It should have been put to sleep at birth and now you are propogating that nightmare to another generation? What is wrong with you?!
They are cute though.... at that age....
Hope the event works well for you guys.
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
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Love you, too, Jan. :)
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Dec 29, 2009 - 01:29pm PT
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Steve's right. Send people to the lake bed. The Pit is insane these days, way too many people for what it was intended for.
Last time I was there there were Marines camping on the hill in plain sight lighting campfires outside their tents (which is a no-no to camp on the hillside where town can see you), some homeless kid who used 3 parking spots to set up a tent and stove cause he heard the Pit was a campground (I politely explained otherwise in the morning), and 2 guys who had never climbed before but were out there for a class and the Nomads people directed them to the pit for free camping.
RIP the pit.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Dec 29, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
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fattrad - the park is INSANE this year. Why'd you alter your original post?
The campgrounds are packed and people aren't leaving. Used to be if you showed up around 8a-10a on a Saturday you'd find people packing up to leave and go home and nab their site. Worked for me 100% in the past. This season, nope. People are there to stay. The rangers are on it, they're going through and doing license plate logs again.
I've tried going out of the way. Went to Stirrup Tanks one day, have been there plenty before and never seen another person. This time the parking lot was full and people were everywhere.
The next day we went back off Boy Scout Trail to a formation where we shouldn't have seen another human being....and a CLUB showed up (well, a bunch of guys wearing insane matching shirts....a story for another time).
After that weekend I haven't been back. I think it's life's way of telling me to get back to mountaineering and the peace and solitude it brings.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Dec 29, 2009 - 02:37pm PT
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If you run into crowds, you obviously are not getting off the beaten path much. If crowds at the obvious spots bother you, go somewhere different. Someplace you haven't been before. Someplace that isn't on someone's favorite list.
There is tons of rock and great routes at Josh -- and a lot of lack of imagination or adventure. 97% of climbers climb the same 3% of the routes.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Dec 29, 2009 - 03:20pm PT
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Anyone who is going to Joshua Tree over New Years and intends to climb at any of the places less than 30 minutes walk from parking should really wonder just why it is they think there's any chance at all of quiet - day or night....
Someone asked me why I wasn't going there over T/Giving, and instead wait until the next week.
Well, because I KNOW that it is party hardy loudmouth drunks and Type A ascentionists who clog the washes at that time. That's why! And New years Eve is way, way, worse. It's a drinking holiday - to expect people won't be drinking, and obnoxious, is absurd.
You want quiet?(I know I do!) Then.... Stay away!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 29, 2009 - 03:49pm PT
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Meanwhile, firewater chimney gets how many ascents per year?
If you are in a crowded area, you are part of the crowd. don't matter how long you've been going there or who got there first. get out into the country and have an adventure.
Not sure where to go? Stop by nomad, we can recommend some good spots that won't see a soul.
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