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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Nov 22, 2009 - 11:25pm PT
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That being said some crags it seems you have to climb thru a sh#t layer of stone to get to stone that can become quite good. Countless desert sandstone crags are like this. ( I have found ) I stay away from them, unless they are well climbed.
Climbing dirt with Ice axes has ever been my thing!
But those dudes in Grand Junction. Do it all the time!
I bet they also work for POMA. ( A tuff bunch of field steel workers )
So there you have it!
Dawg.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Nov 22, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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Ah Pate,
Superb work. Hope I get to meet yo one day. :D Peace
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Nov 22, 2009 - 11:59pm PT
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a copy of deryl drive has been located....
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:14am PT
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Pate. You are the "definition dude."
Has "chossy" replaced "manky?"-------unless you are Scottish of course.
Positive
manky
Comparative
mankier
Superlative
mankiest
(British, Scottish, Irish, slang) Unpleasantly dirty and disgusting.
[edit] Translations[show ▼]unpleasantly dirty and disgusting
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Sebastopol, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2009 - 12:23am PT
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BWAAAAA Haaaa HAAAAAAA Ha HAa.
Ya'll are killin' me.
You got me wrong!
Call me a wuss
Or a sour puss
That choss is too scary
Yes even for Jerry.
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Sebastopol, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2009 - 12:26am PT
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Yeah, Warbler, You have it right. Manky is the gear you get in chossy rock.
ie: (I was climbing through some choss and all the gear was mank...)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:28am PT
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In my bitd peer group your description of manky is on target.
So you have:
Manky = marginal or very marginal
Bomber = pretty much bullet proof
Any in between ???
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:32am PT
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Choss is the land of infinite potential. What makes choss? Loose porous rock or rock with weaknesses. What do climbers use for holds on steep terrain? Features made by loose porous rock or weaknesses. The more bullet the rock, generally but not always, the less features. The more chossy, the more holds and more variety of holds to be found! Chossy rock is rarely monotonous, usually very intriguing movement, and with a little flavor to keep things spicy aka you never know when that hold is going to break!
All "features" are really just choss cleaned up. Now whether that be from millions of years of weathering (Yosemite), or from 1,000 greasy hands pawing the same holds (ORG), or by some dude "mining" out routes from rock others poo poo (NJC and most other Cali Sport Cilmbing areas), it all ends the same:
Features that cimber dude and dudettes put their dirty little fingers in or on to in order to propel themselves upward.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:39am PT
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Hey, it may be choss, but it's MY choss!!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Nov 23, 2009 - 12:49am PT
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this is all old news
but Choss season has pretty much started
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 02:09am PT
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Warbler: I'm with you. Munge to me is wet, muddy, and planty. Choss is just gritty/loose or fractured rock.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 02:24am PT
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El Cap's Son of Heart has a few dirty pitches, and one really, really dirty one. Choss? No. The rock underneath is still world-class, and takes gear very well. Moles and gophers are the model here, as you have to dig down a bit.
I think choss refers to loose or crumbly rock, like, say, at the Pinnacles.
The closest thing to choss in Yosemite Valley is probably the right side of Yosemite Point.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 02:47am PT
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The closest thing to choss in Yosemite Valley
Ha-ha-ha! The approach to YPB is pretty heinous but on the UCS, Universal Choss Scale, it is a 1.5 (outta 10) at best.
Choss Heaven = Pamirs or the Rockies, Canadian or Merrycan. Pamirs gets the nod cause they're higher and you gotta exert yourself more to hold the holds in place.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Nov 23, 2009 - 03:06am PT
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"Munge to me is wet, muddy, and planty"
yes, but only after a trip to the strip club.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 23, 2009 - 10:11am PT
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Did someone say choss?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Nov 23, 2009 - 10:22am PT
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Jingy... from a fashion perspective I love it!
Choss is the new ice!
I smell another shirt design...
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Nov 23, 2009 - 10:31am PT
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Munge, They can clear that right up with a shot of penicillin :)
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Nov 23, 2009 - 03:31pm PT
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Thanks for the vote ihateplastic...!
Get working on that t-shirt!!!! It will be worth millions! .. some day/
Hey Gary?
Does that guy even have a rope attached?
That's some serious choss rating there!!!!
Choss-Solos...
The bigest thing to hit the climbing scene since the invention of sticky rubber!
Dos'fo'sho!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Nov 23, 2009 - 03:36pm PT
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you know I'm good for one of those shirts if we can get it in the jumbotron size. :)
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Frozenwaterfalls
Ice climber
California
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Nov 23, 2009 - 03:51pm PT
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Hmmm...I always thought choss included dirt as well. Heck, that is why I always carry my "chosspick" - to scrape out all the dirt from the cracks or grooves you hope might hold some pro once you have gardened them fully. Dirt is only slightly softer than some of the "rock" out there after all...
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