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climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Crimpergirl: I had that bunion thing done about 10 years ago and was so releived after the fact. The pain and discomfort from lame feet pre surgery sucked.
Karl: you are a Bad ass for your perseverance with that injury on the Zodiac. That would have sent me straight to the ground.
I personally just started physical therapy from my rotator cuff repair/SLAP surgery I had 5 weeks ago on my right shoulder. Oh what a joy PT is. The beauty is I am on the road to recovery, with hopes to be working again by the first of the year, and climbing/surfing early spring. I totaly under estimated the whole deal and it has been rough for me this past month.
Because Karl gave us a thread to wine on, this is my whaaa!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Crimpy, So Sorry about your feet/toes. Really missed you at the FaceLift. You give everyone a lift. Realized it this year when you weren't there....and last year when you were. Peace and Smiles, lynne
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AbeFrohman
Trad climber
new york, NY
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OK, this one is HARDCORE, youve been warned.
2 weeks ago.
Both girls were napping. I was otherwise home alone. Decide it was a good time to get dinner started. was gonna do a chicken in the dutch oven w onions peppers, & a can of tomato sauce.
onions and peppers sauteeing on the stove top, i decided to quick run to the bathroom and grab some advil and sudafed, as i felt a little cold coming on.
1BR apt, bathroom is in a little 3 foot long hallway off the foyer on the way to the bedroom. hustling to get back to my peppers, its a quick 3 step jump from the bathroom back to the kitchen. R foot down, left, right foot CRACK! i had caught my right pinkie toe on the corner of the wall at FULL SPEED.
i hopped around the apartment SCREAMING inside my head for the next few minutes, rolled over my bed somehow, and looked at my toe. right pinkie toe fully perpendicular to the rest. broken, in 3 places.
now all taped up and wearing that jackass boot.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Nov 10, 2009 - 12:03am PT
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Abe, OUCH and watch the hallway speed limits Dude ...2 mph at max from now on. :D
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Nov 10, 2009 - 12:03am PT
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Good luck, Crimpergirl. I'm curious (b/c mine are huge) to hear how your post-surgery climbing goes.
My upcoming (Thurs.) IR is eye surgery. I'm getting my pteyrigium removed since it is growing over my iris and hurts like hell every day. Wish me luck.
In my effort to diagnose any potential problems before I potentially get laid off and lose my health benefits, I also discovered that I have a non-horrifying form of skin cancer (basal cell carcinoma). I'm told that I can't climb for 2 weeks after they dig that out. NTB compared to some of the alternatives. But then again, I'm only 36, so let my relatively minor surgeries be a warning to all of you paleski people to put on the SPF 30 and sunglasses.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 02:44am PT
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I guess gimpy people have more time to post on the net. Keep em coming.
Wishing everyone speedy healing and productive downtime.
Peace
Karl
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 10, 2009 - 03:30am PT
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checking in with a slowly recovering lower back... haven't climbed since Vedauwoo in August...
mostly a bulging disk impinging on a nerve, L5/S1...
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Nov 10, 2009 - 03:49am PT
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Well Karl,
I have bit of a story;
It was the last ski day of the season and my last day of work(96) Ski patrolling for Aspen Highlands after eight years. We were clearing runs and I sat down on the slope waiting for my partner, He arrived and I got up and my knee popped ! I really thought nothing of it. We skied down and to the seasons end party out at the Ranch at Marroon Bells. Well, time when by and it was time to go, and Dogtown’s knee was not working at all. Friends helped me home and after a few days I could walk. ( Can you imagine All the sh#t I have done in my life and I blew out my knee just getting up off my ass.) Did not get it fixed or even looked at by a doctor, years went by and I thought It was OK. Till Sims and I went climbing at Colorado National Monument. Miles of down hill hiking to his truck sent me strait to the Orthopedic Surgeon Dr. Bruce Smith . The moral of my story is; If you hurt yourself Like I did the longer you put off Surgery the harder it is to come back. My knee is Ok now but it has been a long road.
P.S. Sims almost killed me that day, He broke lose a slab of stone the size of a Refrigerator and sent it down on me! Run for you life type shit! Ha Ha Ha! ( no joke! )
All the best!
Sorry to hear that ED. Did you hurt it out here? Take it easy and keep us informed Ok?
Dawg.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Nov 10, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
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I used to commute to work on inline skates. One night after a long late night I was skating home as usual on the Boulder bike path. Within blocks of my South Boulder home I was going through the last underpass when I hit an unexpected patch of black ice. I was carrying a new travel mug with a cool handle, a gift from a satisfied client, in my left hand. It was filled with an uber yummy mocha which I was sipping as I travelled. When I hit the ice patch my skates flew out from under me at lightning speed sending me crashing to the pavement head first. Of course I wasn't wearing a helmet. To break my fall I instinctively put out my cup grasping hand. On impact the cup rotated like a wheel taking my fingers with it. Stunned but apparently unharmed I got to my wheeled feet and took stock of my condition. First I was bummed that I had spilt my mocha. Secondly it was very obvious that my little finger took the brunt of the force and had been rolled backwards in a double dislocation. I looked in disbelief at my pinky pointing backwards towards the back of my hand. The look on my wife's face when I woke her up to ask "what's wrong with this picture" was priceless. In the morning I went to the doctor to be sure it was just a simple dislocation. They insisted I go to the emergency room. Once there with xrays in hand they wouldn't let me relocated it myself stating that I was under their care and were worried I would cause further damage. This was already going to cost me a small fortune so I eschewed pain killers to save a buck and said have at it. Ironically the doctor broke the finger in two places while relocating it then said "OK all better". Shoulda dun it my way.
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Rich the Brit
Trad climber
San Ramon, CA
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Nov 10, 2009 - 05:33pm PT
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We should start an ugly feet thread. Climbers generally have some fine examples. Bunions, corns and rock shoe induced deformities, with a bit of toe nail fungus thrown...
I was at Tenaya lake one day chatting with another bare foot climber. It may have been Hans Florine, but I can't remember for sure. I commented on his brightly colored painted toe nails - he stated that they had been painted at his significant other's insistance - a bit of a turn off you might say.
I am not looking forward to my cast coming off from the ATR. The difference between the legs with muscle waisting is going to be scary.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Nov 10, 2009 - 05:33pm PT
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So how's the knee, Philo????
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Nov 10, 2009 - 05:40pm PT
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On a short count down. Thanks for asking SteveDub.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 06:22pm PT
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Some tips and unsolicited advice for fellow injured.
There is lots of info and support on the web (although always consider the source) Docs don't always keep up with everything, nor remember everything, so inform yourself for your own sake. Learn about your injury and what other's have experienced.
(for example, if a doc prescribe Cipro or a fluoroquinolone antibiotic for you, make sure you both consider the considerable tendon weakening properties they have and how that might put you at risk as a climber) Example see
http://tinyurl.com/yjafs92
Surgeons in particular are as much artists as scientists and some get consistently good results and some are nightmares. Try to find a track record. (making friends with the medical people you encounter can pay off)
If medical records or images need to be transferred from one doc to another, call in advance of your appointment to make sure it happened. My girlfriend has driven many hundreds of miles several times only to find out her MRI wasn't mailed and still hasn't been after request #3 (and they claimed they mailed it but now admit they haven't) Call the receiving party.
Double check everything... bills, appointments and such.
Review your insurance in detail once you know you'll be using it. With high deductibles and such, it may pay to time your treatment within a calendar year. You also need to call to make sure not only your doctor, but the surgery center, the Anesthesiologist, the assistant surgeon, and the dogcatcher ALSO accept your brand of insurance or they will sodomize you.
Other insurance trip ups can be durable medical equipment like crutches, wheelchairs, boots and whatnot. Make sure they pay or at least you can make arrangements to buy used, borrow or whatnot.
If you are paying out of pocket or have sensitivity to costs, get real and direct about how to reduce costs or what's REALLY important and what you can do yourself. Example, an MRI can cost $3000 in a hospital and only $1000 in an imaging center. If you're not in a rush and can drive around, maybe you don't want to let them enrich their own business when the results are cheaper elsewhere.
Peace
karl
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 10, 2009 - 06:45pm PT
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I'll post photos of pre and post op stuff. Hopefully they are sufficiently gross. :)
I can't wait to look down at feet that don't look like mine. I didn't know that we aren't suppose to have the big bunion lump. It's always been there!
And I can't wait to not have pain. Driving my standard hurts. Walking hurts. Having a sheet on my foot in bed hurts. You can imagine that I've not been climbing for some time. Makes me a wee bit crabby. :)
Sitting here with the flu (oink oink) I feel like I'm practicing for post-op lameness. I'm reduced to now watching old vhs tapes (just finished a two volume set on serial killers, women who kill, and The Farm at Angola Prison). Opening the cabinet in a second to see what other old tapes I have back there. Another swig of theraflu and I'm good to go. :)
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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Nov 10, 2009 - 07:03pm PT
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Abe, that sh*t IS hardcore...
the time I slammed into an opening car door?
bike commuting in the east bay :-)
right on Telegraph.
full hit.
dude.
no broken bones but
my thumb still bugs me.
shoulda seen the guy's face
who owned the car.
poor guy.
they had to drag me outta traffic,
screaming, blinded immobilized
by pain - right in front of the KFC.
right ankle, messy.
left wrist, hammered.
nice one.
more gore...later :-)
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GLee
climber
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Nov 10, 2009 - 07:21pm PT
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As I mentioned to Pat on his tread, all accredited hospital medical laboratories receive reagents for their chemistry analyzers kept cool/frozen with gel packs.
They are always looking to recycle these gel packs, and usually have them for the asking.
Call the hospital, ask to be transferred to the medical laboratory, ask for the chemistry section, explain your need, and usually that's it. Thank them profusely when you pick them up, they'll love it. Assure them you'll put them in a zip lock (and won't eat the gel, to get a cheap laugh and ease their liability fears).
Then you can wash, dry, put in a zip lock bag, and chill/freeze. Use them with a towel between the gel pack and your skin (as suggested appropriately by Anders).
And after you are healed, they work well over and over again in your cooler.
Hoping this helps those in need of repeat icing of an injury.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Nov 10, 2009 - 07:39pm PT
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I am Polish. That makes me a gimpski.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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Nov 10, 2009 - 07:43pm PT
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After a 4 year break from climbing I decided to start again. In fact I climbed with KarlB the week before his injury, what an awesome trip. A few days later, in Red Rock I was top-roping some overhung 10 and out popped my humerus, although nothing funny about it. I've already had 3 operations for rotator cuff and dislocation injuries. One ortho doc recommended a "laterjet" procedure where they take a bone form the top of the scapula and move it to the front. He wants to do a fancy pants MRI to make sure. The other ortho doc (who did my last surgery a decade ago) says do nothing but therapy and if it comes out again, re-assess. I do not like the thought of a bone saw, so I will take Doctor Two's advice.
Who's up for some PT!?!?!
No more sport, no more overhung face climbing for this clipped wing. Good thing there's still plenty of stuff to do!
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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Nov 10, 2009 - 10:19pm PT
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you know what they say,
if your sport is "pulling"
then work "pushing" in
the gym, a lot, too.
connective tissue =collagen = vitamin C
see?
good pink saga upthread
Philoski.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Nov 10, 2009 - 10:44pm PT
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Brian...get the dislocation FIXED. PT does not work on chronic dislocations. Yer wasting yer time, if it is stretched out, it is stretched out. The bone block does a great job of keeping the shoulder from anteriorly dislocating, but the key is when the procedure is done they usually immobilize you for a period of time...this allows things to "tighten up" and then rehab can be beneficial. The key is getting the shoulder strong and the rotator cuff in good condition, THEN NEVER dislocating the shoulder again. If you've only popped the shoulder once or twice there may be hope, but repeated dislocations need repair. Good luck with it and reassess when it pops out again.
Peace
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