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Bob D'A
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Taos, NM
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Nov 21, 2010 - 11:44pm PT
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Lois wrote: He certainly supported the clunker idea even if he did not dream it up. He may not come right out and say he is offering (certain people) "something for nothing" using those very words but the between the line meaning is there. The "rich" have it all.
You are a fool.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 21, 2010 - 11:52pm PT
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Lois wrote: I live by the principles of work hard, live frugally and with integrity and most of all don't expect someone else to do it for you. As an aside, I do also support charity to those less fortunate who are so through no fault of their own.
So what is your point...there are millions of Americans who do the same, liberal, conservative, black, white, yellow brown, red and so on.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:02am PT
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LEB Wrote -
climber (When?)
PA
Nov 21, 2010 - 07:22pm PT
"The problem is that Obama has a "something for nothing" mentality or at least that is what he hopes to sell the masses."
 Wasn't this the idea that was spouted by Buche? Terrorists hit America… Go out and buy a car? Let'd start a multi-continent war, meanwhile let's make it so that anything can be sold to anyone (with the big bad govmunt watching the entire time, or not watching, like all good republicans are supposed to do) in order to send America rushing into a third world nation… You say something about class warfare… But I didn't start it. It was all thought up by the richest of the nation. Most of us here at the bottom can live and work just fine amongst ourselves without too much of a problem… Not sure where you're getting this "something for nothing" drivel from?
"There IS no free lunch - never was."
LEB…. Have you heard… corporations were bailed… The people were not… Not sure if that escaped your limited view of the world. Oh, and hey… There was a recent IPO that involved a company that was once thought of as one of the biggest automakers in this country… they got some of the bail too… did you here? And now they are looking to get more from the American taxpayer (granted, only the richest among us can get in on it, though, as with anything.. it is open for all that are considered "public" right?) This "saying" is outdated. No one here is looking for a free lunch except corporations, as far as I can see. BTW - Have you read the bible lately? I heard that Jesus was talking about washing the feet of the poorest of the land by the most religious of the land.. What's the lesson there?
"The sooner people realize that, the better off they are. The real issue is not tax cuts versus no tax cuts or who get them and who does not. The real issue is who is responsible for me and when do I grow up to realize that life is not = Candyland which we played as a kid."
LEB… Who here is taking about Candyland other than you? You did bring it up…
"Whether we do or we do not get tax cuts really is not the foremost issue. It is jobs and what will (and will not) stimulate jobs."
LEB. Finally you make a point. But again, I have to ask where are all these benevolent rich should that you would like to play like are out there? Last I checked it was the modern corporation that has sent jobs to be done by other countries. Last I checked it was the monied interests that are buying off just about every politician out there. Sorry, but I find government rule to be much less intrusive than corporate rule. I don't think that the modern corporation has it's head on correctly when it is a tyranny from the git-go. Top down is what I see. There are many more problems in corporate rule than in the current Government rule regardless of how all the repukes would like us all to believe.
"More than that, it is fostering a mentality wherein I believe I am responsible for my well being and not Obama and/or social programs fostered by Obama."
-Again, please let me know from what planet this is from…. Do you mean like.. the military social program? And all the military contract programs? Is that the kind of "I'm responsible for my well being" that you are talking about?
"Fostering class warfare such as what DF is fond of doing (Obama has his role in this as well) really does not address the problem."
I say it most definitely does address a problem (yes, not "the" problem because there are many, you will agree). Yes, it does. You should start singing "Kill the Poor" by DK when you wake up, and stop when you lay your head to rest at night for more perspective.
"I have a neighbor back in PA. Well, he fell and broke his leg. He had a very successful mail order machine parts business but it required lifting boxes, packing boxes, carting them off the the Fed Ex Depo. Unpacking boxes etc. His his mobility was serverly impaired with the casting to his leg and he could not do the physical labor part. He could do the computer and business part. So he tried like heck to hire someone in this depressed economy to come to work for him for $10.00 per hour - part time, full time - it did not matter. If the person wanted full time, he could find yard work and stuff for said person to do. If part-time, that was fine also.
Well guess what? In this depressed economy, he could not find one single taker. Not one. None of the HS kids were interested and neither was anyone else."
LEB. You fail to mention the working conditions. Maybe this guy is a total dick and none of his neighbors like him at all. Not to mention that fact that what kind of job experience is this? you gonna put "I helped a dude out for $10 an hour with any thing he wanted me to do." Where did he place the ad? How many flyers did he post up? Don't give me the next shite you spout.
"Apparently unemployment, welfare or whatever was more than enough to keep everyone happy - meanwhile the tax payer funds it all."
See what I mean? YOu can f*#k off if you think that I can possibly believe any part of this story. YOu make it seem like this is a giant corporation or that your friend had the greatest job ever, and everyone in the f*#king town was walking down the street with their personal welfare check in hand on the way to the check cashing place… You are a dip sh#t, yours is a dip sh#t statement, and needs to be removed and is may not be based in fact.
"Something is wrong with this picture when an allegedly economically depressed area can produce no one willing to work - even temporarily - for $10.00 per hour. I guess packing boxes was too "menial" for anyone to do. It was not too menial for him to do (before his accident) and he became very well off doing it. So what is the lesson here?"
That LEB is full of shite and needs to be shunned.
Go back to your playbook fat. This angle stopped working when Reagan left office.
Futher Reading Edit:
Bob quoted LEB: "Lois wrote: I live by the principles of work hard, live frugally and with integrity and most of all don't expect someone else to do it for you. As an aside, I do also support charity to those less fortunate who are so through no fault of their own."
Would you count being taken advantage of by multimillion dollar corporations as "No Fault Of Their Own"?
How many people lost their house due to drug abuse lately, dumbass?
Your benevolence and integrity is without basis.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:10am PT
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Lois wrote: And they don't go around calling other people "fools" because those people hold different political perspectives or ideology. That my views differ from your world view does not make me a "fool." Rather it makes you an intolerant bore who is unable to control his temper and accept that other people may hold a different perspective and still have valid points.
Yes they do Lois, Skip, SUAP, Blue are some the biggest name callers on this thread.
You are a fool because you make emotional statements that are not reality based. See below!!!
Lois wrote: Cash for clunkers is arguably among the most inane of his recent ideas (IMHO well not so humble, actually).
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:15am PT
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Lois wrote: Rather it makes you an intolerant bore who is unable to control his temper.
LOL.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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the wheels on the bus go round and round
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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You are very intolerant of those with whom you disagree and you are behaving in a very "boorish" fashion toward me vis a vue throwing a variety of derogatory epitaphs at me (because you don't like my political viewpoints, no less).
The word is "epithet", Lois.
Epitaph: an inscription on or at a tomb or a grave in memory of the one buried there
Epithet: a characterizing word or phrase accompanying or occurring in place of the name of a person or thing
..and I just randomly came in here after 30,000 post - who knows what kind of idiot-speak is going on in my absence...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 22, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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Lois wrote: (because you don't like my political viewpoints, no less)
No...because you post emotional charged false statements.
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shut up and pull
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Nov 22, 2010 - 02:36am PT
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Why conservatives love BO: he is going to extend the tax cuts; he is keeping ggitmo open; he renewed the patriot act; he is upping the bombing of afghanistan; he renditions terrorists;
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shut up and pull
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Nov 22, 2010 - 02:41am PT
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Classic obama idiocy: he is going to give russia our missile defense tech. To proect them from iran while the russians arm iran
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shut up and pull
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Nov 22, 2010 - 02:43am PT
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Remember the libs bashing reagan for missile defense? And now BO is all for it. Classic
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shut up and pull
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Nov 22, 2010 - 02:45am PT
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In the 80s libs were upset that reagan wanted to beat the USSR instead of surrender.
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shut up and pull
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Nov 22, 2010 - 02:46am PT
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Libs for decades chose to side withe the USSR. Treason
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 22, 2010 - 07:57am PT
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Commy pinko fags
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 22, 2010 - 08:12am PT
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Fox news said that Obama wants to extend un-employment benefits to Russian citizens to help stimulate the world economy....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 22, 2010 - 08:37am PT
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Fox News said that a senior citizen was taken off life support and allowed to die ...this because Obama -care just began kicking in...hopefully the republicans will repeal OBAMA CARE before anyone else suffers the same fate...
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 22, 2010 - 09:54am PT
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Morning Krugman:
How does this end? Mr. Obama is still talking about bipartisan outreach, and maybe if he caves in sufficiently he can avoid a federal shutdown this spring. But any respite would be only temporary; again, the G.O.P. is just not interested in helping a Democrat govern.
My sense is that most Americans still don’t understand this reality. They still imagine that when push comes to shove, our politicians will come together to do what’s necessary. But that was another country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/opinion/22krugman.html?src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Nov 22, 2010 - 10:36am PT
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who knows what kind of idiot-speak is going on in my absence
I take it that's a rhetorical question.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 22, 2010 - 10:57am PT
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Johnny wrote: Fox News said that a senior citizen was taken off life support and allowed to die ...this because Obama -care just began kicking in...hopefully the republicans will repeal OBAMA CARE before anyone else suffers the same fate...
I heard he wants to kill all white people over 65 and give all of our weapons to Russia. :-)
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