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Jimr
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Redondo Beach, CA
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Oct 20, 2016 - 04:21pm PT
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In early September, 4 of us convened at Deadhorse lake with the intent of searching the bowl between Starr and Kehrlein. Here are some excerpts of my original report:
I’ve spent a lot of time staring at a blank screen, looking for the words, but they just don’t come. I don’t know why I have so much emotion tied up with Matthew. People go missing in the Sierra quite often, yet I don’t find myself drawn to them. So, while my emotions flip flop around like a fish out of water, at least, there are words on a page.
I had never hiked the Minarets before our Sept. 2014 search. I’d seen the peaks many times while skiing Mammoth many years ago, but never stepped foot there. I have now taken many steps and seen many beautiful scenes of these lofty and sublime peaks. Our hike to Deadhorse Lake was no exception. For some reason, I had the vision of it being a rather mundane area. I have no idea why I envisioned that. In 35 years, I’ve never met a Sierra lake I didn’t like.
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The next morning, we fueled up and headed up the terminal moraine to the outlet of the upper tarn that filled the bottom of the cirque we were to search. We topped out at the outlet and were pleasantly greeted by Kehrlein and Starr Minaret surrounding a small bowl of talus and tarn. Sounds almost like an Irish salad. We all sat down, snacked and began glassing the place. You could almost search the whole cirque on your butt, but, but,,but….the eyes grew weary and the legs wanted to move. David started searching the far side immediately. After a bit of time behind binoculars, the rest of us were getting antsy to physically search. You can go cross eyed behind glass for too long.
We basically carpet bombed the bowl, leaving no stone unturned except for the loose, steep stuff just below Starr. The rest of the bowl was surprisingly stable. We were able to get right up to the face of Kehrlein, then pattern search our way down to the tarn. We checked the base of the three chutes that were in our search area as well.
We finally reconvened and concluded that we hit the place so hard that there really wasn’t any reason to come back up the next day just to retread the area, so we made alternate plans. The next morning, David hiked on toward Ediza as he was geared for several more days in the backcountry. Oleander and ghost had already been in a week, so the three of us decided to hike out and play tourist in Bishop. That turned out to be a wise decision. The next afternoon, the Ritter range was hammered with rain and snow. David saw the weather eroding and hauled out as well. We decided to cross country it down stream to the main trail, then beat feet it from there. We got to Bishop with plenty of daylight left, so we went to a new brewery there that just happened to serve wonderful meals as well. For me, the trip was short on time in the wilderness, but long on scenery and friendship.
And then, back to the emotion. I feel great success that we covered the search area with a fine toothed comb. I’m disappointed and sad that we found no evidence, but we are looking for the proverbial needle in the haystack. If Matthew is there, he is near the peaks somewhere. There are so many places near the top to get wedged, but nearly nothing to stop a fall along the walls. They are sheer and slick with no visible places to get caught up. I have my doubts that even a seasoned climber would dare search the high places on Kehrlein. Too dangerous to tool around up there. The register has never been checked. I only hope that eventually, it is checked for an entry made by Matt Greene.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Oct 20, 2016 - 05:02pm PT
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Thank you for the report.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Dec 14, 2016 - 11:20pm PT
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A bit too early to say, but looks like another light snow-fall Winter so far.
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Charlie B
Social climber
Santa Rosa, Ca
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Jul 20, 2017 - 02:52am PT
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I found something. The bishop pd and sar are aware. I just need my own closure. 707-490-2181. Please do not disrespect that I put my number here. This may or may not be related to this thread.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
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Jul 20, 2017 - 09:41am PT
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Bump for closure,
Rest In Peace
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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Jul 20, 2017 - 10:12am PT
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Charlie,
Please update if it does end up being relevant...
Thanks B
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jul 22, 2017 - 11:48pm PT
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... not to be morbid, but what was found?
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maverick01
climber
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Jan 10, 2019 - 02:35pm PT
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Hello Everyone,
We are making a 4th effort to locate some evidence in the Matthew Greene case. Our plans are to set-up basecamp at Deadhorse Lake in the Minarets, search dates are 9/4-9/8/19.
We hope some of you will consider joining are group to finally bring closure for the Greene Family, while spending time with some fellow Sierra loving people in one of the most beautiful parts of the Sierra.
Please contact me at: pagoston@prioryca.org
Thank you,
Maverick
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 10, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
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whatever happened to Charlie B? was whatever he found relevant??
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 10, 2019 - 07:04pm PT
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I cannot believe that this was in 2013
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Jan 11, 2019 - 09:38am PT
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^^^^ This would be my prefered way to go too. I love your sentiment - leave me be.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Jan 11, 2019 - 12:42pm PT
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+1 here
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 11, 2019 - 02:14pm PT
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+1 He belongs to the mountains now...
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 11, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
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so f*#king hope nobody find my body
It's NOT always all about YOU and what you want.
You live in a society and if you don't want things to go a certain way in that society than move to Siberia where no one lives period ....
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 11, 2019 - 06:16pm PT
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Sorry Werner, I guess I am just one of the stoopid one's, but maybe you can help me out.
If I were to go up into the mountains and disappear, an accident or perhaps by intention, and things were in such a manner that no one finds me despite many highly qualified individuals best efforts over a period of years, what about leaving me alone would violate some social constructs?
Is it still about closure for the family? Maybe they should broaden their thinking. Instead of depending on an exact location, the finding of a body part or an identifiable piece of gear, maybe they should look up at those mountains in their glory. The closure they seek could come from seeing the beauty of the place and knowing that he is up there. Somewhere.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 11, 2019 - 06:23pm PT
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If it was my brother
I'd say
It's none of your fukkin business
It isn't
But it's still none of your
Fukkin business
TCB
Edit
Not aimed at you K
Speaking generally
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 11, 2019 - 06:33pm PT
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It was a comment, an idea, not a criticism.
My opinion is that at some point this search for closure becomes an obsession, and the underlying intent is lost. If it were me up there I know my family would have found their peace with it a long time ago.
But if his family feels that they need a different solution, then you're right. It's none of my fukkin business. But is asking a question really trying to make it my business? Touchy world if it is.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2019 - 07:25pm PT
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If I were to go up into the mountains and disappear, an accident or perhaps by intention, and things were in such a manner that no one finds me despite many highly qualified individuals best efforts over a period of years, what about leaving me alone would violate some social constructs?
I guess the scenario where someone wishes to not be found, but creates a circumstance that huge resources and people's time gets expended, that bothers me.
Write a note, with your desires, then go where no one would expect, and leave no clues.
But if you don't do that, and you simply disappear, then the default has to be to search for you, for a trivial but incapacitating injury that should not be fatal....and you are in so far, you cannot crawl out.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 11, 2019 - 08:09pm PT
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The closure they seek could come from seeing the beauty of the place and knowing that he is up there. Somewhere.
An admirable sentiment to be sure. If it works for you then" even better.
My somewhat cynical younger brother who died way too young wanted his ashes spread near the ocean at a beach we frequented. That was it. I satisfied the two of us.
But you never close out your family IMO. We're in it for the long haul.
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