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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
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Yawn.
I agree with that.
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shut up and pull
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Nov 18, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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Just take Eric Holder, Obama's AG. What a disgrace this guy is.
1. He employed after the 2008 election over a dozen attorneys who defended terrorists, TO BE THE SUPPOSED PROSECUTORS OF THOSE TERRORISTS. Gee, I wonder where their loyalties lie?
2. "Though the nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder said.
3. His DOJ has now been officially shown to have had a "whites need not apply" policy regarding enforcement of the Voting Rights Act.
4. His DOJ dismissed the New Black Panther lawsuit, which had already been won, because of pressure from black groups.
5. He pressed for the trial of KSM in New York, then cancelled it.
6. He pressed for the closing of Gitmo, then cancelled it.
7. And now he loses the Ghalani trial bigtime because crucial evidence was not admitted (e.g., the defendant's confession!!!!!!!!!!).
Message to take away from all this? Liberals are a terrorist's best friend.
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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
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You are an angry delusional man. I feel sorry for you.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Nov 18, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
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Fortunately there are people keeping tabs on Obama "failures", so us peons don't have to keep count.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
The funny thing is if you look through his broken promises they are almost entirely failures to enact a more liberal agenda.
How do you sleep with all the socialists under your bed and hippies in your closet?
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Nov 18, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
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As for the bailouts and stimulus, I'll trust Warren Buffets opinion over just about anyone else's.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/opinion/17buffett.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=warren%20buffet&st=Search
By WARREN E. BUFFETT
Published: November 16, 2010
DEAR Uncle Sam,
My mother told me to send thank-you notes promptly. I’ve been remiss.
Let me remind you why I’m writing. Just over two years ago, in September 2008, our country faced an economic meltdown. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the pillars that supported our mortgage system, had been forced into conservatorship. Several of our largest commercial banks were teetering. One of Wall Street’s giant investment banks had gone bankrupt, and the remaining three were poised to follow. A.I.G., the world’s most famous insurer, was at death’s door.
Many of our largest industrial companies, dependent on commercial paper financing that had disappeared, were weeks away from exhausting their cash resources. Indeed, all of corporate America’s dominoes were lined up, ready to topple at lightning speed. My own company, Berkshire Hathaway, might have been the last to fall, but that distinction provided little solace.
Nor was it just business that was in peril: 300 million Americans were in the domino line as well. Just days before, the jobs, income, 401(k)’s and money-market funds of these citizens had seemed secure. Then, virtually overnight, everything began to turn into pumpkins and mice. There was no hiding place. A destructive economic force unlike any seen for generations had been unleashed.
Only one counterforce was available, and that was you, Uncle Sam. Yes, you are often clumsy, even inept. But when businesses and people worldwide race to get liquid, you are the only party with the resources to take the other side of the transaction. And when our citizens are losing trust by the hour in institutions they once revered, only you can restore calm.
When the crisis struck, I felt you would understand the role you had to play. But you’ve never been known for speed, and in a meltdown minutes matter. I worried whether the barrage of shattering surprises would disorient you. You would have to improvise solutions on the run, stretch legal boundaries and avoid slowdowns, like Congressional hearings and studies. You would also need to get turf-conscious departments to work together in mounting your counterattack. The challenge was huge, and many people thought you were not up to it.
Well, Uncle Sam, you delivered. People will second-guess your specific decisions; you can always count on that. But just as there is a fog of war, there is a fog of panic — and, overall, your actions were remarkably effective.
I don’t know precisely how you orchestrated these. But I did have a pretty good seat as events unfolded, and I would like to commend a few of your troops. In the darkest of days, Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Tim Geithner and Sheila Bair grasped the gravity of the situation and acted with courage and dispatch. And though I never voted for George W. Bush, I give him great credit for leading, even as Congress postured and squabbled.
You have been criticized, Uncle Sam, for some of the earlier decisions that got us in this mess — most prominently, for not battling the rot building up in the housing market. But then few of your critics saw matters clearly either. In truth, almost all of the country became possessed by the idea that home prices could never fall significantly.
That was a mass delusion, reinforced by rapidly rising prices that discredited the few skeptics who warned of trouble. Delusions, whether about tulips or Internet stocks, produce bubbles. And when bubbles pop, they can generate waves of trouble that hit shores far from their origin. This bubble was a doozy and its pop was felt around the world.
So, again, Uncle Sam, thanks to you and your aides. Often you are wasteful, and sometimes you are bullying. On occasion, you are downright maddening. But in this extraordinary emergency, you came through — and the world would look far different now if you had not.
Your grateful nephew,
Warren
Warren E. Buffett is the chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway, a diversified holding company.
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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:07pm PT
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Who Would Jesus Waterboard?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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You are an angry delusional man. I feel sorry for you.
I do to. shutup is the right wing media's dream consumer. Spending hours everyday lapping up all the BS they can write. Fully ready to believe any negative thing about Obama, the dems, and Liberals. They make a lot of money off people like that. But as with most conservatives they don't understand that quality of life is more important than standard of living.
Shutup, get out and climb. Nobody reads your copy/pastes here anyway. Life it too short to be consumed by negativity.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:17pm PT
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Fattrad;
Mr. Buffet doesn't appear to be making the distinction you are making, so we'll just have to agree that neither of us know what his true opinion of the individual components of the government actions are. All he said was that the government intervention saved our economy from a near complete collapse. I'm willing to take that a face value. I've got a pretty positive outlook on the whole thing now, especially considering that you and I now own significantly less of GM than we did yesterday. I take that as yet another sign that our economy is getting back on track and that things more-or-less went to plan with the whole keynesian thing.
Life is pretty good these days, and I'll just put it out there that I don't want to see any more stimulus packages, bailouts, takeovers, whatever. Let the markets go free, that is the way things should be.
-Tim
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shut up and pull
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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The BIG question -- if you libs are for liberty and freedom, why do you support politicians that constantly want to increase the size and scope of government in our lives? Libs never seem to answer that one.
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shut up and pull
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Nov 18, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
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Best sources of information:
Huff Post
Real Clear Politics
Powerline
Instapundit
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:24pm PT
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The fact is that the most effective president in modern history at controlling government growth was Bill Clinton. Sure he drew a good lot and presided in good economic times, and he had a strong opposition party to counter balance him, but your general accusation that democrats = big ineffective government just doesn't hold water. Bush grew government to a huge extant, Obama has too (mainly due to extraordinary times), but will spend the rest of his first term making up for that. The conservative party line hyperbole just plain isn't true, which is why no one bothers to explain it to you.
http://thepoliticsofdebt.com/?p=177
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:25pm PT
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I do feel sorry for those who get caught up in the hate. ALL of us here want what we think is best for our country.
I think too many of us forget that truth, even if you can't discern it from some of the posts. What makes this thread worthwhile to me (in no particular order) are:
The humor of fattrad, norton, Dr. F, the Fet and many others;
Our occasional forays into real discussions of serious issues -- many help here;
The large number of truly independent thinkers -- on both sides of the debate, despite what we accuse our opponents of being;
The links to interesting articles (I, at least, appreciate bookworm, TGT, SUAP, jhedge, and many, many others); and
Last but not least -- the fact that the overwhelming number of contibutors are real climbers, so they're obviously intelligent.
I have no time for talk radio, Fox News, MSNBC, or any of a number of opinionated blowhards (Edit: this probably means I have no time for myself!). Following this thread is informative, and far more entertaining.
John
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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:56pm PT
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I have no time for talk radio, Fox News, MSNBC, or any of a number of opinionated blowhards (Edit: this probably means I have no time for myself!). Following this thread is informative, and far more entertaining.
Me neither.
Besides, yelling back at the radio isn't nearly as much fun as yelling back at you guys. :-)
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shut up and pull
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
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What is funny is that to liberals, opposing views that they do not like are called "hate", whereas we conservatives never use that term. We just say your views are wrong. The loaded term "hate" is used by liberals to label speech they do not like (i.e., "hate speech") and then get it shut down or banned. That is why I laugh at liberals who claim that I am using "hate speech" -- please libs, whine some more. Whine whine whine about ideas that you don't like. We love it.
Go on to a typical college campus these days and see the Orwellian liberal view of speech -- speech codes, political correctness run amok. No thanks.
I want liberals to say all they want to say -- please -- say it all. Tell us you hate capitalism, pleeeeeeeease!!! Let everyone know your support for Che and Castro and Chavez. Pleeeeeeeeeease -- keep talking. Let it flow. Why? Because we want your ideas out there for all to see.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 18, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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Thanks for the humor mention, John. And you are right in that it is NOT all
about hate.
Some people don't hate, they just express their serious opinion.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Nov 18, 2010 - 03:14pm PT
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We just say your views are wrong.
Boy, your world is just sewn up into a neat little package. No need to open your mind to alternative points of view or experiences. No need to study history. Just accept what the party line is and repeat ad nauseum.
Here are some shining examples of your leaders not voicing "hate speech":
"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus -- living fossils -- so we will never forget what these people stood for." -- Rush Limbaugh
"I would have no problem with [New York Times editor Bill Keller] being sent to the gas chamber." -- Melanie Morgan
""[T]he day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of stupid liberals and it's going to be very amusing to watch." -- Lee Rogers
"And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead." -- Bill O'Reilly
"Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!"-- Michael Reagan
"Some liberals have become even too crazy for Texas to execute, which is a damn shame. They're always saying -- we're oppressed, we're oppressed so let's do it. Let's oppress them." -- Ann Coulter
"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. ... That's just a joke, for you in the media." -- Ann Coulter
My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." -- Ann Coulter
"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too." -- Ann Coulter
"And Joe Wilson has no right to complain. And I think people like Tim Russert and the others, who gave this guy such a free ride and all the media, they're the ones to be shot, not Karl Rove." -- Rep. Peter King (R)
Where does George Soros have all his money? Do you know? Do you know where George Soros, the big left-wing loon who's financing all these smear [web]sites, do you know where his money is? Curacao. Curacao. They ought to hang this Soros guy. -- Bill O'Reilly
"Has there ever been a more revealing moment this year?" Mr. Rove asked. "Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals." -- Karl Rove
"Miller is not alone, though some are more sanguine when it comes to evaluating the roster of contenders. Here's a note I got recently from a friend and former Delta Force member, who has been observing American politics from the trenches: "These bastards like Clark and Kerry and that incipient ass, Dean, and Gephardt and Kucinich and that absolute mental midget Sharpton, race baiter, should all be lined up and shot." -- Kathleeen Parker
Right now, even people sitting on the fence would like George Bush to drop a nuclear weapon on an Arab country. They don't even care which one it would be. I can guarantee you -- I don't need to go to Mr. Schmuck [pollster John] Zogby and ask him his opinion. I don't need anyone's opinion. I'll give you my opinion, because I got a better stethoscope than those fools. It's one man's opinion based upon my own analysis. The most -- I tell you right now -- the largest percentage of Americans would like to see a nuclear weapon dropped on a major Arab capital. They don't even care which one. They'd like an indiscriminate use of a nuclear weapon.
In fact, Christianity has been one of the great salvations on planet Earth. It's what's necessary in the Middle East. Others have written about it, I think these people need to be forcibly converted to Christianity but I'll get here a little later, I'll move up to that. It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings. ... Because these primitives can only be treated in one way, and I don't think smallpox and a blanket is good enough incidentally. Just before -- I'm going to give you a little precursor to where I'm going. Smallpox in a blanket, which the U.S. Army gave to the Cherokee Indians on their long march to the West, was nothing compared to what I'd like to see done to these people, just so you understand that I'm not going to be too intellectual about my analysis here in terms of what I would recommend, what Doc Savage recommends as an antidote to this kind of poison coming out of the Middle East from these non-humans." -- Michael Savage
And you've got this gem regarding our president and his family.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 18, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 18, 2010 - 03:36pm PT
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shutup, there is nothing wrong with opposition, in fact it's a healthy part of discussion. What's sad is you fail to see the hate you have for "Libs". And it's NOT your views, it's in your viewpoint. Your hate doesn't bother those you hate, but it's a terrible presence to have day in and day out in your life.
It's funny every time I make a statement you react by claiming "Libs this and Libs that" and I'm not even a Lib.
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Nov 18, 2010 - 03:40pm PT
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Thanks, norton. By the way, I didn't mean to imply that I only find your posts humorous; rather that I appreciate the way you integrate humor into so many of them. You're always worth reading.
john
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